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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Therefore, €60 million was needed because of private accommodation.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Mr. Smyth will obviously have to do some forecasting for the rest of the year.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: He will be looking at where the pounds, shillings and pence will fall. Is there a possibility that any part of the services will be frozen, stood down or have to be suspended, given current budget levels?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Does Tusla have a particular area of urgency?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Does that include the unaccompanied minors?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Two thirds of them are unaccompanied minors coming from abroad.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: That is the point I was making earlier and this needs to be followed up on.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: They arrive on Tusla's doorstep. I ask Mr. Delaney or Mr. Ó Conaill to come back to the committee with a note on what will be actively done now to work with the Department of Justice, which is in charge of the IPO, and the Department of Foreign Affairs. Those two Departments might send us back a note in the next two or three weeks or so. What steps will be taken now? What will be...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: That is very timely. Can Mr. Delaney come back to the Committee of Public Accounts with a short synopsis of the measures that will now be taken? This is a crisis situation that Tusla is trying to deal with and it is clear that it is causing problems. I want to ask about the guardian ad litem, GAL, scheme. The Comptroller and Auditor General made recommendations regarding the financial...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: These were the recommendations made by the Comptroller and Auditor General. We could bring the Comptroller and Auditor General for a moment.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Yes, it was about data gathering.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Sorry, that figure of €125 is for what?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Right. Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Regarding the unpaid expenditure from 2018 to 2022, there is a yellow line on this page and it looks as though it is approximately €45 million for the guardians ad litem.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: How much was it?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: The figure looks a bit higher on the graph that is before me.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: These are for legal expenses and guardian ad litem costs. If you go back to 2018, the figure was approximately €26 million or €27 million.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Then it runs up to in excess of €40 million in 2022.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Thank you.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: That is welcome progress. I thank the witnesses and staff of Tusla and the Department for attending and for supplying information in advance of today's meeting. I also thank the Comptroller and Auditor General, and Mr. John Crean from his office, for attending and supporting the committee. I take it as agreed that the clerk to the committee will seek any follow-up information and carry out...

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