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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: How many places did we have for that? This was for 2022.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Would Tusla be looking at more than €400,000 per year per child?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Up to €750,000.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Because some of them have to be in single. They are astronomical sums. A lot start-up companies are getting involved in this. Are they all checked at the beginning to see whether they are tax-compliant?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: With regard to the Garda vetting of staff, if I want to be involved with my local under-18 soccer team, I have to have Garda vetting. Even if I have Garda vetting for my job, I need to have Garda vetting. If I am involved with the scouts, I still need to go and get a third set of it, which, I think, is crazy. I am in favour of Garda vetting but I fail to understand, and I have a...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: It received significant sums over a three-year period. Why was the absence of Garda vetting not seen earlier?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: They would be fairly compliant.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Is it an expectation or assurance? Ms Duggan mentioned assurances earlier on.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Who is checking the Garda certificate?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: So it is HIQA or Tusla.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Is it checked on an annual basis for staff?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: However, Ms Duggan's agency is working with vulnerable young children.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: I know Tusla is trying to deal with it. I am mindful of the fact it is dealing with huge demand, but would it be fair to say that the number of audits for basic information such that the staff are Garda vetted needs to be increased-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: -----and is it the intention of Tusla to do that?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Ms Duggan mentioned a figure between €400,000 and €750,000, which is a huge sum. I want to ask the assistant secretary about what the Ombudsman for Children decreed on the special emergency care arrangements. Is Mr. Ó Conaill aware of that?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: To the special emergency arrangements. The Ombudsman for Children, as I understand it, had something to say about this in the not-to-distant past. Is Mr. Ó Conaill aware of that?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: In relation to the use of them generally.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Do the international protection ones make up one third?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Two thirds of the children are in international protection. They are the unaccompanied minors who are arriving.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: I will ask Ms Murphy about the different types of accommodation. Hotels and bed and breakfast accommodation have to be used at times. How does that work where there must be 24-hour staff? I am trying to work out the practicalities of that. How does that happen? If a person is running a bed and breakfast accommodation, a small hotel or whatever and Tusla has a child or a minor who...

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