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Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Registration of Lobbying Bill 2014: Committee Stage (25 Nov 2014)

Seán Fleming: Section 14 concerns delayed publication. This section provides for two scenarios where publication can be delayed. One is where the State’s interests are at risk and the other is where the individual's business is likely to suffer a material loss. With regard to the former, as the Bill is written the commission can only delay publication when the registered person applies, i.e. the...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Registration of Lobbying Bill 2014: Committee Stage (25 Nov 2014)

Seán Fleming: I note the Minister's comments.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Registration of Lobbying Bill 2014: Committee Stage (25 Nov 2014)

Seán Fleming: I presume this point could come in under a variety of sections. Section 15 is entitled "Evidence of entries on Register". The issue has been raised by some people involved in the industry connected with lobbying. They are concerned about the level of lobbying activity in this building, the national Parliament. In Brussels, there is an open system where lobbyists are registered and badged...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Registration of Lobbying Bill 2014: Committee Stage (25 Nov 2014)

Seán Fleming: Is it a matter for the Houses of the Oireachtas Commission to introduce it?

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Registration of Lobbying Bill 2014: Committee Stage (25 Nov 2014)

Seán Fleming: I do not know the difference between them.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Registration of Lobbying Bill 2014: Committee Stage (25 Nov 2014)

Seán Fleming: The Public Relations Institute of Ireland is concerned that a Deputy or Senator must sign people in to get access to the building, whereas other people might have more informal access through former connections with the building.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Registration of Lobbying Bill 2014: Committee Stage (25 Nov 2014)

Seán Fleming: Some day we will. It is a matter to be raised internally in the Oireachtas rather than in legislation.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Registration of Lobbying Bill 2014: Committee Stage (25 Nov 2014)

Seán Fleming: I move amendment No. 68: In page 12, between lines 36 and 37, to insert the following:"(9) This section shall not apply to unpaid volunteers of an organisation that is otherwise a registered person for the purposes of this Act.".This amendment refers to the returns to be made by registered persons, organisations, lobby groups, lobbyists or organisations that have lobbying carried out. The...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Registration of Lobbying Bill 2014: Committee Stage (25 Nov 2014)

Seán Fleming: More importantly, we will see if we get any result.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Registration of Lobbying Bill 2014: Committee Stage (25 Nov 2014)

Seán Fleming: That is a very good evening's work. We can now go and vote in the Chamber.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Registration of Lobbying Bill 2014: Committee Stage (25 Nov 2014)

Seán Fleming: We are happy with that. Some of my earlier amendments about what should be considered as lobbying-----

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Registration of Lobbying Bill 2014: Committee Stage (25 Nov 2014)

Seán Fleming: I understand. It was because they were left out.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Registration of Lobbying Bill 2014: Committee Stage (25 Nov 2014)

Seán Fleming: Forgive me, but it is very complicated - exempted, non-exempted, Schedules included and Schedules not included.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Registration of Lobbying Bill 2014: Committee Stage (25 Nov 2014)

Seán Fleming: The Minister can understand that we are here to tease that out.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Registration of Lobbying Bill 2014: Committee Stage (25 Nov 2014)

Seán Fleming: If anybody watching this thinks we are not too bright because we have to go through it slowly, so be it. We are doing it in the public interest.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Registration of Lobbying Bill 2014: Committee Stage (25 Nov 2014)

Seán Fleming: Those in the final Schedule are not exempted. That means the Minister is free to designate them, if he chooses.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Registration of Lobbying Bill 2014: Committee Stage (25 Nov 2014)

Seán Fleming: However, he has not yet designated them.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Registration of Lobbying Bill 2014: Committee Stage (25 Nov 2014)

Seán Fleming: The Minister's argument is that if serious people want to engage in mega-lobbying, they need to do so outside the State when the Minister is abroad.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Registration of Lobbying Bill 2014: Committee Stage (25 Nov 2014)

Seán Fleming: I understand how complicated this measure would be. The Davos meeting was the one that came to my mind.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Registration of Lobbying Bill 2014: Committee Stage (25 Nov 2014)

Seán Fleming: I will not press it. While it makes a valid point, I accept that it would give rise to complications.

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