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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: No, external reviews.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Again, it would be very helpful for us if the witnesses could say that they have carried out an external report as per their duty and obligation, that they have done it every three years and that these are the results. That information is not coming from them. We are going through all of this and that information is not coming. I am watching the time so I will move to the NTPF...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Is the NTPF planning for its own demise? When is the NTPF planning for it and what steps is it taking?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: I know that. The NTPF has been in existence for a quarter of a century. Obviously, there is something wrong. The NTPF is simply implementing Government policy. I am not criticising it at all. I will go back to some constructive criticism about the failure of the NTPF's procedures to detect what was going on, but the NTPF is implementing policy. Presumably, the NTPF was to be a...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: The Minister has clearly said she wants to reduce this. Has she been in touch with the NTPF in regard to that?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Good. Will there be follow-up meetings to plan for when the NTPF will no longer be necessary and at what point in time that will be the case? It has not happened yet.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: What were the results of the NTPF's own review of the effectiveness of the board?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: What issues, if any, were there? Did the board get a clean bill of health?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Were there any minor issues? The review of the board is done to find out the issues. What are the issues?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Did any issue come up about how money was being spent from the National Treatment Purchase Fund in hospitals? Did any of that come up proactively from the NTPF's review or from its internal mechanisms?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: No. Does Mr. Gallagher think that is acceptable? Reflecting on that as a board, are there some issues there for the board, from the audit and risk committee and the patient committee? No issues emerged related to any of these matters.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: That is a cause for reflection, is it not? Does the NTPF learn from the media about the difficulties with the funding and how it is being used?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: I understand and I read that. Is there more than one or do I have repetitions of them? Is there more than one memorandum of understanding?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Obviously it was not complied with. Is that not right, from what we know?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Now we have a review by the HSE to try to find out the issues with the hospitals and how widespread this is. I will go back to Ms Nugent. She took great care to tell us that the media reports were wrong and that this did not happen in a private clinic. Personally, it is immaterial to me. What is important is that the consultant was doing this in a clinic in a public hospital, privately.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Ms Nugent is shaking her head so I will simplify it. Public patients are seen by a consultant on a Saturday though the National Treatment Purchase Fund. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Was that one of a number of consultants?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Were the other consultants involved in that work on a Saturday?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: I thank the Chair.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: To go back to Children's Health Ireland and its financial statements, I meant to ask on the previous occasion about legal settlements, but I ran out of time. CHI's financial statements clearly disclose a total sum of €125,500 with regard to the Workplace Relations Commission but they do not give any figures for the claims under the State Claims Agency. Can Mr. Fitzpatrick just...

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