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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Bobby Aylward: As the legal person, will Mr. Ruane answer me?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Bobby Aylward: Will Mr. Kelly comment?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Bobby Aylward: There is not.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Bobby Aylward: Is there partial mistrust, if not total?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Bobby Aylward: I will ask Mr. Barrett that question. He is a straight talking man.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Bobby Aylward: I commend Mr. Barrett on his straight talking and on what he has said. He is one of the people I trust. I am not saying I do not trust others but fair play to him. Every word he said, I accept it. I want to move to recommendation No. 7. Was it Mr. Barrett who met Superintendent Pat McCabe? He was dismissive, and when Mr. Barrett met him first, he said, "You have been doing a bit of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Bobby Aylward: It was like you were out in a field or at the creamery, having a bit of chat - "You are doing a bit of digging". Then he said, "Bring it on", and this kind of talk, knowing that Mr. Barrett was going to recognise that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Bobby Aylward: We can talk about structures that were there previously but someone had to say "Stop" sometime.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Bobby Aylward: They had to say, "I see wrong here and it should be rectified".

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Bobby Aylward: I want to ask Mr. Kelly about finance and the two audits from 2016 in particular. Did he feel there was any mismanagement of funds? Was there anything untoward, given all the different bank accounts we are talking about, some 48 to 50 bank accounts, some of which were closed down and some of which were kept open? The number was supposed to go down to three and six were then kept open....

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Bobby Aylward: Or any personal gain?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Bobby Aylward: I want to ask a few individual questions. With regard to the Garda boat club, €100,000 was transferred in four separate payments. Was that legal? Was it not breaking the law or the governance rules and regulations? Can they transfer €100,000 from Templemore up to the boat club in Dublin in four instalments?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Bobby Aylward: In regard to the Garda members who were acting as directors when these companies were set up, that was completely illegal, was it not? Under the law and the rules and regulations of the public service, they cannot serve as directors of any private company. Will the witnesses fill me in on that? Was that completed? There was no consent from a Minister or anyone else. They just set this up...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Bobby Aylward: Was it illegal?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Bobby Aylward: Did they make any declarations when they were directors?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Bobby Aylward: I would have no hesitation in saying that was illegal practice.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Bobby Aylward: That means it is illegal. I would like to make a further contribution later.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Bobby Aylward: Is the suggestion that it be withdrawn altogether-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Bobby Aylward: -----because it is all short-hand information?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Bobby Aylward: It should all be under the Garda Vote instead of being in the college.

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