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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: You are the financial director. You have the opportunity to raise queries. You did not raise a query about this invoice. Have you raised queries concerning other invoices that were coming in during the last two to three years?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: Is that not more reason for asking the question, if you have not?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: When you became aware of the query raised by the auditors, and they obviously were concerned, you still do not appear to have had the same concern, even after the explanation from the then director general.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: Did Deloitte raise queries in respect of any other item in the accounts at the time?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: This was the only issue?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: Was there not, therefore, an obligation on you to make sure the issue the company had raised was fully investigated?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: Turning to the barter account, we are talking about €115,380 being paid annually. This is an extra €40,380. Is this technically what we are talking about as a handling fee for the €75,000 or can we get a better explanation than what is being furnished to us?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: In other words, let us imagine a situation where I am in a legal practice and someone comes to me with a cheque for €75,000. That person says they do not want to send it on, asks me if I will put it through my account and says I will be given €40,380 for doing that.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: It is €40,380 for handling a cheque for €75,000.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: In this case, it was €75,000 that was forwarded to the agent for Ryan Tubridy and there was a charge of €40,380.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: -----35%.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: Is a handling fee of 35% being charged by any other organisation in the country? I have never heard of any other company charging a fee of 35% for one payment, and 35% each time. Would you not accept that you should have raised queries in relation to that barter account?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: Now-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: Is it under finance control now?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: Every item that goes through it can be clearly identified and, as a result, there is full accountability.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: In the last ten years, how much money has gone through the barter account?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: This was in ten years.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: Why not use a normal payments system, rather than going through the barter account in this particular case? Why was there all the secrecy on this?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ: Discussion (29 Jun 2023)

Colm Burke: Having spoken about the commercial sector, regarding the raising of credit notes, who has the authority to do this?

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