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Public Accounts Committee: Work Programme (7 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: We will come to that before we conclude. I call Deputy Farrell.

Public Accounts Committee: Work Programme (7 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: Can I be rude and say that I missed the Deputy's last remark. I was reading a note on this issue. Will the Deputy repeat his last remark?

Public Accounts Committee: Work Programme (7 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: I will take other comments on this.

Public Accounts Committee: Work Programme (7 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: I want to be clear on the issue in relation to the circulation of the document we received. They want to get the views of members of the committee. Obviously, there are sensitive issues in that. The HSE has asked for it not to be made public or published before its representatives come here next week and, where people received documents, some in hard copy form and some in electronic form,...

Public Accounts Committee: Work Programme (7 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: Exactly. As such, I am asking people to understand and respect that. This is a report by the HSE internal audit section and it is a HSE document produced in relation to the management of taxpayers' funds. As such, it is 100% within our remit. If it was a document produced by a third party like Console, there would be an issue as to whether we were entitled to have it. As it is a HSE...

Public Accounts Committee: Work Programme (7 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: No. It may be in due course.

Public Accounts Committee: Work Programme (7 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: No. The document is not sub judice. I will read the letter we received from the HSE with the document. It is approximately five pages. It states that it encloses 30 copies of the internal audit report. It goes on:The committee may wish to note that in the normal course the HSE does not publish or release to any third party finalised internal audit reports until six months has expired...

Public Accounts Committee: Work Programme (7 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: We can also acknowledge that the HSE, whose letter I am quoting, says that it does not anticipate that any challenge will be brought. Not only is it not sub judice, the HSE is saying it does not expect it to be. That is the HSE's call, not ours. I am just recording it.

Public Accounts Committee: Work Programme (7 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: The HSE has asked us not to publish this until-----

Public Accounts Committee: Work Programme (7 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: It is until 14 July, which is next week. We can circulate it, but it is not to be published or made available.

Public Accounts Committee: Work Programme (7 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy's point is quite right. I had to move myself to have a meeting before the Dáil recess. I understood the Dáil was sitting next Friday and thought it was a safe date on that basis. It was the only day they were available. We had to get clearing from the business committee to hold this unscheduled meeting. I had to act a bit unilaterally.

Public Accounts Committee: Work Programme (7 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: We will have a work programme and there will be set dates. To move outside our normal Thursday meeting is absolutely the exception.

Public Accounts Committee: Work Programme (7 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: No and what the Deputy raises is a good point in advance of the commencement of the meeting. We might seek advice from the Office of the Parliamentary Legal Adviser on questions and where we can stray or not. To be clear, we are not bringing Console in. We are only bringing in the HSE.

Public Accounts Committee: Work Programme (7 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: We could do with getting that right.

Public Accounts Committee: Work Programme (7 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: We would all agree with that.

Public Accounts Committee: Work Programme (7 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: I am going to answer.

Public Accounts Committee: Work Programme (7 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: I will give my understanding and I am subject to correction. My understanding is that the correspondence was not published as part of today's correspondence as it arrived too late to be included and disseminated to people. It has arrived and we have it. The committee is not meeting until next week so we cannot publish anything. As Chairman, I cannot publish anything next Monday, Tuesday...

Public Accounts Committee: Work Programme (7 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: Within 24 hours.

Public Accounts Committee: Work Programme (7 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: There are more than 100.

Public Accounts Committee: Work Programme (7 Jul 2016)

Seán Fleming: Most of it is.

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