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Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Jennifer Whitmore: Would anyone else like to come in? I call Senator Ruane.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Apr 2022)

Jennifer Whitmore: It has been a really interesting conversation. Speaking with people who have worked for so long and in such depth with people going through this process has been very interesting and informative, so I thank the witnesses again for appearing before us today.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Apr 2022)

Jennifer Whitmore: The purpose of today's meeting is to resume our discussion on the current position of surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and international law. We will have two sessions today. On behalf of the committee, I welcome Dr. Andrea Mulligan. Before we begin I will read a note on privilege and some housekeeping matters. Witnesses are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice that...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Apr 2022)

Jennifer Whitmore: I thank Dr. Mulligan. I invite Deputy Murnane O'Connor to begin.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Apr 2022)

Jennifer Whitmore: I call on Deputy Higgins. I ask her to confirm that she is on campus.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Apr 2022)

Jennifer Whitmore: Work away.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Apr 2022)

Jennifer Whitmore: In the type of position described involving both parents and guardians, how long would it need to be in place?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Apr 2022)

Jennifer Whitmore: I call Senator Seery Kearney.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Apr 2022)

Jennifer Whitmore: Senator Ruane is online, but she cannot ask questions because she is off-campus. Senator Ruane said the witnesses mentioned a moderate approach and she would like to ask about that. She said that many people assume "commercial" means bad, unethical, or exploitative. She is wondering if a commercial approach can be both commercial and ethical. Would regulation help us to determine who the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Apr 2022)

Jennifer Whitmore: I thank Dr. Mulligan. When dealing retrospectively with children who have already been born through international surrogacy, is a separate model needed? If we come up with a core set of ethical considerations, we may not be able to apply that to those children. How would Dr. Mulligan deal with those children?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Apr 2022)

Jennifer Whitmore: I am making the assumption that Dr. Mulligan looked at the debate last week. This committee was trying to understand or clarify where our role was with regard to the AHR Bill, which we are still trying to do. One of the suggestions that was made by the Department of Health was that we could just maintain the current legislative provisions and apply those to international surrogacy. I am...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Apr 2022)

Jennifer Whitmore: Okay.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Apr 2022)

Jennifer Whitmore: Additionally, we might be having the same committee in six years' time in order to address the same issues.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Apr 2022)

Jennifer Whitmore: Would Senator Seery Kearney like to come in?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Apr 2022)

Jennifer Whitmore: I would like to thank Dr. Mulligan for this morning. It was really interesting. The fact that we had that little bit of extra time certainly helped. I thank the witnesses for coming in today. I propose that the committee suspends while we await our next witnesses.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Apr 2022)

Jennifer Whitmore: On behalf of the committee I welcome Dr. Mary Wingfield and Dr. Aoife Campbell to our meeting. Before we begin, I am required to repeat the notice on privilege. Witnesses are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice that they should not criticise or make charges against any person or entity by name or in such a way as to make him, her or it identifiable, or otherwise engage in...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Apr 2022)

Jennifer Whitmore: Was Dr. Campbell referring to the state of Victoria in Australia?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Apr 2022)

Jennifer Whitmore: Excellent. I thank Dr. Campbell. I call Deputy Higgins.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Apr 2022)

Jennifer Whitmore: I have a question on the clinics. Dr. Wingfield said she sort of knows which clinics are good and have good practices just from her relationships with them. What are the key indicators she would look for in a good clinic, as such? From her experience, do they tend to be in some countries and not others? I would like a bit more information about the standards in different clinics.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on International Surrogacy: Surrogacy in Ireland and in Irish and International Law: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Apr 2022)

Jennifer Whitmore: Dr. Wingfield just knows from talking to different people what she would consider a good practice.

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