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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Anne Butler is there.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: What about Marguerite Sayers?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: What about Professor Hilary Hoey?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: No, Professor Hilary Hoey.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: No, she has left according to the list I am looking at in the board's annual financial statements. She has gone. Liam Woods is there.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: What about Lorcan Birthistle?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: What about Jonathan Hourihane?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Out of the 13 that were there, seven have gone and one has been replaced. What is the Department of Health's position on this? Mr. Breslin will mention the Public Appointments Service process but a board of directors for the national children's hospital construction project is a matter of urgency. Every week that passes, costs are being incurred. How is the Department of Health allowing...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: We have gone through the State boards Public Appointments Service process.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Did many people apply?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: When did that process start?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Some of these people have been gone since last February.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Why did it take nine months to start filling the vacancies?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Barry.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Right.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Breslin is telling me that it is a good thing that they have all left. He is the master here.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am aware that Mr. Barry probably did not get an opportunity to answer the question or may not have wanted to answer it, but the skills that were necessary at the earliest stage of the project, in terms of procurement, etc., might not be as critical now because it is a question of seeing the project to completion.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will come to future procurement.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: The HSE is expert at not complying with procurement rules. Between 25% and 40% of its procurement is non-compliant. The committee deals with its procurement every year. It tops the list in terms of non-compliance with procurement rules, as the Comptroller and Auditor General will confirm. Some 24% of procurement within a sample he took last year was non-compliant. I say that as a warning...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: I will turn to my next question. The board signed off on the accounts on 9 October.

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