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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: The other invoice is dated 20 March. Does Mr. Ó Foghlú have it?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: I have an invoice here stamped 17 April 2007. Its number is 198, and it is to Fewer, Harrington, Lawlor and Partners, suite 13, dated 31 March 2007, flight Waterford-Dublin, booking reference 218, Kieran Byrne, 20 March 2007. That was not invoiced to WIT. What is that flight in respect of?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: That is the invoice from Bell Airways. That is the same invoice. The Bell Airways invoice to Fewer, Harrington, Lawlor and Partners relates to the same trip.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: That trip to Dublin is referenced Nicholas Fewer. We need clarity on this. Is there another flight?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Who provided the Department with the information that this flight was commissioned for Dr. Port?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: The Deloitte & Touche report does not specify it. The report is a one-line job: chartered a Bell Airways plane to transport a visitor from Waterford to Dublin for €4,200. This is a calamity of errors. First, we have an invoice sent to a firm of architects and planners which does not specify who was on the flight. Then we have an invoice from Bell Airways which does not...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: What is Mr. Ó Foghlú’s understanding about the time Dr. Port spent in Ireland?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Was the June 2007 flight to meet the then Taoiseach?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Does Mr. Ó Foghlú know how many people were on the flight?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Did Dr. Port stay overnight on 29 June?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: On the day? I thought Mr. Ó Foghlú said earlier he stayed overnight.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Ultimately, does the funding for these payments come from the Department or the Higher Education Authority, HEA?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Does Mr. Boland not find it alarming that he has an invoice from Bell Airways which could be to anyone? It was not signed off by the financial controller in WIT but by the chair and the president of the institute at the time.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: With due respect to Mr. Boland, the facts of the case are that €4,200 of taxpayers’ money was spent on a flight when there were daily flights from Bristol to Dublin.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: How much has been spent on consultants’ reports to date to look into this matter?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: I thought Deloitte & Touche did the first report and then Grant Thornton was brought in to do a second report.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: How many reports did Deloitte & Touche do?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is Grant Thornton doing a further report?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Up to €90,000 has been spent on the two Deloitte & Touche reports. How much has been spent on the Grant Thornton service? How much will the total be?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: I wish to touch briefly on Waterford Institute of Technology and have a few other questions. I thank the witnesses for the documentation they have just circulated to members. A couple of points came to mind and in the interim, I have had a chance to look at the Deloitte & Touche report. It makes specific reference to travel in respect of the Bell Airways charter of a plane to...

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