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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: With due respect, we are asking Mr. Costello questions here where there was information coming to the Secretary General of the Department of Education and Skills as staff were leaving for home yesterday evening. There was a general press release issued not going to the Comptroller and Auditor General and there were people under the impression that the Committee of Public Accounts would be...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: It is five years after the flight.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Let me put it another way.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: I do not need it. What I want-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: This is very simple. The HEA is meeting Dr. Port. Has the HEA sought meetings with Professor Byrne and with the former chair of WIT? This is straightforward, it is about a couple of invoices. The issue can probably be dealt with in quick fashion. Can we get an assurance here today that the Department and the HEA will pursue this and get clarity on it rather than it running into a...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: With due respect, the General Secretary had the documentation. The Comptroller and Auditor General was under the impression that we would have the report prior to the meeting. Effectively, it is a matter of pressing a button on a screen and sending an e-mail with a couple of attachments. The problem is that we get bogged down in process here. As a member of the Committee of Public...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Can I make a quick point on that? The agreement on that was purely in relation to the flight from Waterford to Dublin.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: It did not relate to the flight from England to Dublin.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: To give full clarity,-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: -----the former chairman basically gave an agreement to the flight from Waterford to Dublin. He makes no reference to the flight from Filton in England to Dublin, and the big cost item was the €4,200.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Agreed.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Was this the press statement?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: I accept that. It does not alter the key point. The key cost here is a flight from Filton, England to Dublin. The former chair, Dr. O'Donoghue, speaks only specifically about the flight from Waterford to Dublin. In summary, will both the HEA and the Department speak to the personnel to get clarity on this and advise the committee accordingly?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: The presidents of various universities were before the committee last week. I want to check the HEA's view on their point that they are losing out to universities across the world in terms of being able retain and hire staff based on the pay structures, not necessarily the cap of €200,000 but the limits of pay within certain levels of academics, for example, a level below professor,...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: So, he was not reporting to the president of WIT.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Why was the invoice from Bell Airways sent to Fewer, Harrington, Lawlor and Partners?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Which one?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: The committee has not been provided with a copy of these.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: For clarification, we have an invoice to Fewer, Harrington, Lawlor and Partners, dated 31 March, for a flight on 20 March 2007. Fewer, Harrington, Lawlor and Partners are architects, planners and project managers based in Canada Street, Waterford. The company was obviously doing work for WIT. It was invoiced, not WIT.

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