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Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 36: Defence - Review of Allowances
(18 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: The money factor is a huge one.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 36: Defence - Review of Allowances
(18 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: As it has evolved, the allowance system within the public sector strikes me as cumbersome. I expect it is difficult to administer. The representative bodies came in the 1990s. The military service allowance has been there since 1979 which is over 30 years ago. That is clearly core pay. Why was that not incorporated into core pay? That is the bones of ten or 12 years prior to the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 36: Defence - Review of Allowances
(18 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: I am not doing that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 36: Defence - Review of Allowances
(18 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Mr. Howard is saying something there that we have not said.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 36: Defence - Review of Allowances
(18 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Clearly, looking at allowances, the Army is relatively unique amongst Departments where there is no overtime. The military service allowance makes up nearly €53 million and concerns 8,700 of the Army staff. Effectively, therefore, the bulk of the staff qualify for it. The figure was put out as including that when it is clearly core pay. I am seeking to understand why that was not...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 36: Defence - Review of Allowances
(18 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: I am making the point in the context of the private or officer working in the Army. The perception might be that there is a myriad of allowances when it strikes me that a lot of them are core pay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 36: Defence - Review of Allowances
(18 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: That is purely the basis from which I am coming.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 36: Defence - Review of Allowances
(18 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: There are two other issues, one of which concerns the HETAC qualifications. The starting pay for a private soldier would strike me as being very low at €220 per week.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 36: Defence - Review of Allowances
(18 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: I welcome the witnesses to the meeting. To put this in context, the committee is inquiring into the area of allowances within the public sector. I seek a complete understanding, whereby members and witnesses both learn in terms of the exercise and where members ascertain which allowances comprise core pay and gain a general appreciation of how they have evolved. I am unsure whether the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 36: Defence - Review of Allowances
(18 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: That is what I am hoping for.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 36: Defence - Review of Allowances
(18 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: No, I refer to the 65 allowances.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 36: Defence - Review of Allowances
(18 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Let us then work off the list of 65 or 66 allowances.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 36: Defence - Review of Allowances
(18 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: It has been in place since 1979.

Public Accounts Committee: Public Service Agreement 2010-14: Discussion with Implementation Body (11 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: I wish to raise a final point. What does Mr. Fitzpatrick consider to be the weaknesses in the Croke Park agreement which, from his perspective, will prevent the agreement delivering to the optimum level?

Public Accounts Committee: Public Service Agreement 2010-14: Discussion with Implementation Body (11 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: What about the pace?

Public Accounts Committee: Public Service Agreement 2010-14: Discussion with Implementation Body (11 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Does the witness have concerns about the slow pace?

Public Accounts Committee: Public Service Agreement 2010-14: Discussion with Implementation Body (11 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: On a scale of one to ten, with ten being the top progress and one being the lowest progress, where would the witness place the pace of the Croke Park agreement at this stage?

Public Accounts Committee: Public Service Agreement 2010-14: Discussion with Implementation Body (11 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Could the witness give his best judgment on the scale of one to ten?

Public Accounts Committee: Public Service Agreement 2010-14: Discussion with Implementation Body (11 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Mr. Menton might wish to comment.

Public Accounts Committee: Public Service Agreement 2010-14: Discussion with Implementation Body (11 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is the witness satisfied, happy or very happy?

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