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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Does the Department accept the value-for-money argument I made about HAP?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: As a Government policy measure, does the Department accept that the State paying landlords for private rental properties through HAP represents poor value for money when we have capital assets we could spend on purchasing these units?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: I am talking about the existing homes with which the State has a relationship. Does the Department accept that if it were possible for us to purchase these homes now, and I ask this from a value-for-money perspective which is what we discuss in this committee, would it be better for the State to purchase those homes now rather than to continue to rent them?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Absolutely, but if the Department accepts there is a value-for-money issue with a proposal that is costing it money from its current budget every year, the onus is on it to prepare a proposal which seeks the capital funding to purchase these units. I say this given we know these landlords are selling and there is an opportunity here for the State to purchase these units.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Okay. The Department might reflect on this point.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (1 Jun 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: I want to follow up on a matter in this morning’s discussion that both Deputy Catherine Murphy and I touched on, namely, the value for money of the housing assistance payment, HAP, and the rental accommodation scheme, RAS. There was extensive engagement on these this morning but this committee could probably do work on value for money and the procurement element. It was very clear...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (1 Jun 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: There is obviously the departmental element but there may be various agencies with a view on it. I realise we do not want to stray into the area of the housing committee but there is a very clear case for a value-for-money argument in regard to a particular policy.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (1 Jun 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: It would also be useful to have the Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform in the discussion but it is reluctant to comment on other Departments before us. It has refused to do so previously. The suggestion made by Deputy Murphy would be a good start.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Land Value Sharing and Urban Development Zones Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Jun 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: I thank the witnesses for being here today. I have just come from the Committee on Public Accounts where we had a discussion with the Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage that centred on the issue of density, cost and the word "viability", which we continue to use. I am approaching this discussion having just come from that one. We are talking about land value sharing....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Land Value Sharing and Urban Development Zones Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Jun 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Due to important considerations around commuting and all those other issues, apartments are needed. However, we do not have a discussion often enough about the fact that in adopting a planning policy that requires apartments, in effect, we have said we will never have another set of for-profit, owner-purchase type units in Dublin city without the State heavily subsidising them, in some cases...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Land Value Sharing and Urban Development Zones Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Jun 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: In the city, there is very little left to be developed. There are some brownfield industrial sites. In Ballymun for example, there are at least ten sites the council would give for nothing to anyone who approached it and said they would build housing on them. We have expressions of interest out at the moment for the Ballymun shopping centre site which will have a housing element. It will...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Land Value Sharing and Urban Development Zones Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Jun 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: If the land is outside the city, it will not necessarily impact on the land value in the city. It is a different market.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Land Value Sharing and Urban Development Zones Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Jun 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: There is cost rental.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Land Value Sharing and Urban Development Zones Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Jun 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: I have one final question. That poses a challenge for the industry, too. As for the traditional model of acquiring development land, gaining capital, building a project and then selling it on, we are effectively saying that will not happen any more in the city core areas. That is a big challenge, because you will either need to have long-term build-to-rent or very significant State subsidy...

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