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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Defamation (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Jul 2023)

James Lawless: I thank Mr. Kealey. That is a good point to make.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Defamation (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Jul 2023)

James Lawless: Politicians are sometimes the victims of SLAPPs.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Defamation (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Jul 2023)

James Lawless: I am sure there are.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Defamation (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Jul 2023)

James Lawless: We might come back to that in the third round. Deputy Pringle has not come in yet and, in fairness to other members-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Defamation (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Jul 2023)

James Lawless: That is because you used the time-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Defamation (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Jul 2023)

James Lawless: Members can choose how they manage their time. Senator Martin chose a certain path.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Defamation (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Jul 2023)

James Lawless: Will Mr. O'Reilly set me straight? I did not fully catch that. Did he say there is one defamation case per day on average?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Defamation (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Jul 2023)

James Lawless: Is that before the courts or being issued?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Defamation (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Jul 2023)

James Lawless: Okay. Very good. That is interesting.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Defamation (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Jul 2023)

James Lawless: There are other organisations that have other cases going through.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Defamation (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Jul 2023)

James Lawless: Who do NewsBrands represent?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Defamation (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Jul 2023)

James Lawless: Which is who?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Defamation (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Jul 2023)

James Lawless: Is Mr. Kealey DMG?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Defamation (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Jul 2023)

James Lawless: What about the Irish Independent and the Sunday Independent? Are they part of either Mr. O'Reilly's or Mr. Kealey's groups?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Defamation (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Jul 2023)

James Lawless: What about the Irish Examiner?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Defamation (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Jul 2023)

James Lawless: Very good. I think Senator Martin has now got his answer. Is that fair?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Defamation (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Jul 2023)

James Lawless: Absolutely. I will finish on the Senator's point. The point was made that juries could not possibly sit every week of the year but they do in every Circuit Court in Ireland for criminal trials and in the Criminal Courts of Justice. I will not express a view on that but I make that observation as one of fact. This was a very useful hearing.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Defamation (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Jul 2023)

James Lawless: Okay. Mr. Kennedy has 30 seconds.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Defamation (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Jul 2023)

James Lawless: -----remit of this deliberation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Defamation (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Jul 2023)

James Lawless: Okay. That is noted. It is on our work programme as a separate module. I note Mr. Kennedy's interest in that and I thank him for his submission. We have had very useful deliberations and discussion across the room. There are a couple of formalities. I ask the witnesses to stay in the room a moment. We normally publish all the opening statements on the committee's website. Is that...

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