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Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2014: Committee Stage (16 Dec 2014)

David Cullinane: With respect, the debate on the section provides us with the opportunity to raise such issues. I will not be prevented from making my point because-----

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2014: Committee Stage (16 Dec 2014)

David Cullinane: I am not making a Second Stage speech. This matter relates to the budget.

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2014: Committee Stage (16 Dec 2014)

David Cullinane: There is not much evidence of that latitude, all I can hear are interruptions. The Leas-Chathaoirleach, when he was in the Chair, allowed for a proper and free-flowing debate. When we seek to highlight such issues, namely, the need for proper pre-budget debates, we are informed that we should raise them when the legislation comes before the House. When we do that, we are informed that our...

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2014: Committee Stage (16 Dec 2014)

David Cullinane: You are an outstanding Leas-Chathaoirleach who is very aware of the importance of Committee Stage in scrutinising legislation. I will not hold up the House at all on this issue. I asked one specific question about the water conservation grant. How will it conserve water?

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2014: Committee Stage (16 Dec 2014)

David Cullinane: I thought I was allowed to make a contribution and the Minister of State would respond.

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2014: Committee Stage (16 Dec 2014)

David Cullinane: In any event, I enjoyed the interruption. That is not the point at all.

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2014: Committee Stage (16 Dec 2014)

David Cullinane: The Minister of State missed the point entirely.

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2014: Committee Stage (16 Dec 2014)

David Cullinane: The Minister of State may be able to afford to use that €100 to invest in water conservation measures, but the vast majority of people will not. That is the reality. That is not what this is designed to be. If the Minister of State from the Labour Party is saying to people who genuinely cannot afford to pay water charges that the €100 could be spent on rainwater harvesting,...

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2014: Committee Stage (16 Dec 2014)

David Cullinane: I am trying my best to sink the Government's propaganda on the issue.

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2014: Committee Stage (16 Dec 2014)

David Cullinane: I made my point and I will press the recommendation.

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2014: Committee Stage (16 Dec 2014)

David Cullinane: Hear, hear.

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2014: Committee Stage (16 Dec 2014)

David Cullinane: I am. I want to make a brief point.

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2014: Committee Stage (16 Dec 2014)

David Cullinane: No. The reason we have Committee Stage is to tease out all these issues.

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2014: Committee Stage (16 Dec 2014)

David Cullinane: I move recommendation No. 7: In page 4, between lines 7 and 8, to insert the following:"Amendment of Social Welfare Consolidation Act 2005 3. Schedule 5 of the Social Welfare Consolidation Act 2005 is amended in paragraph 1(4) by deleting the words "Irish Water," (inserted by section 20 of the Social Welfare and Pensions Act 2014).".

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2014: Committee Stage (16 Dec 2014)

David Cullinane: I am afraid that has not allayed peoples' concerns as the Minister of State would have, noisily, heard last Wednesday when ten of thousands of people gathered outside Leinster House to voice their frustration in respect of water charges. He referred to the water conservation grant which this recommendation is about. This is not a conservation grant at all - let us be honest about it. Let...

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2014: Committee Stage (16 Dec 2014)

David Cullinane: I support the recommendation. As Senator Power has said, any public representative who holds clinics or assists people with social welfare applications or applications for payments will inevitably have dealt with people who have been waiting for very lengthy periods for their appeal to be heard. Part of the problem is a communication failure between the appeals office and the person...

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2014: Committee Stage (16 Dec 2014)

David Cullinane: I move recommendation No. 3: In page 4, between lines 7 and 8, to insert the following: “Amendment of Social Welfare Consolidation Act 2005 3. Section 290(3)(c) of the Social Welfare Consolidation Act 2005 is amended by the insertion of “the Parish of the Travelling People or any credit union for the purposes of the Lough Payment Scheme, or” before “any other body...

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2014: Committee Stage (16 Dec 2014)

David Cullinane: We are not.

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2014: Committee Stage (16 Dec 2014)

David Cullinane: No. Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil are.

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2014: Committee Stage (16 Dec 2014)

David Cullinane: They voted for it. We voted against it.

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