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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: I accept that but there is a thing called fair procedure, which everyone is entitled to. Allegations were made so surely the people who had allegations made against them had the right to have some kind of audience before it came out in the public domain in the way it was put out.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: I want to move on to one other issue, the issue of Breda O'Keeffe.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: I know, but there is a right of audience. There was talk about fair procedure. I am saying RTÉ has now been left very exposed in relation to both Dee Forbes and Ryan Tubridy in the way this was managed. Anyway, may I move on to another issue?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: There is also a duty of fair procedure.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: I do not accept that there was fair procedure. May I move on-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: No, I want to move on to one other issue. Mr. Lynch might deal with this issue as well. It is about Breda O'Keeffe and her retirement package. May I have clarification on that package? An impression has been given that it was under a redundancy package. It is important that we clarify this.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: May I get clarification on how the exit package was delivered?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: That matter is still under review.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: To go back to the director general, he will have heard Ryan Tubridy say here this week that he would like to go back on the radio. On the basis of what has occurred here and the way RTÉ is, in my view, now very exposed, is there an opportunity now to involve some kind of mediation process if there was a decision taken to review the way in which Mr. Tubridy is now not in RTÉ? I...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: My second question was the salary Mr. Tubridy is currently on. He is not providing service to RTÉ now. Are RTÉ and the taxpayer still paying his salary?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: Is Mr. Bakhurst saying there is no salary being currently paid?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: That is as and from this week only.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: I want to go back to the issue of the invoice that was raised back on 24 July 2020. I mention the email that was sent from the legal department to Noel Kelly. Mr. Collins was copied in that email. Did it not raise a concern with Mr. Collins at that time that here was the legal department of RTÉ setting out the terms of an invoice to be raised by someone else and that Noel Kelly, Ryan...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: I fully accept that.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: Did Mr. Collins not raise any questions as to how-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: -----his legal department was setting out the terms of how an invoice should be raised-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: -----for a third party?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: I want to move on to the barter account. It was nothing to do with RTÉ but we had the national lottery before the committee in the last seven or eight months, which used moneys for prizes that were not collected and more than €120 million was used up in advertising. My understanding is that RTÉ benefited substantially from that funding. Did those people in the national...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: Would Mr. Mullen accept that the national lottery increased its expenditure substantially with RTÉ as a result of moneys that were not collected by people who were entitled to collect it but did not do so for one reason or another? This amount was more than €120 million so RTÉ benefited quite substantially from that money.

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