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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is a long time away. It is being done in parts. It has been indicated that it is not being done in one job. It could take a decade for it to be completed.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: I ask Mr. Breslin to repeat that in English.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Consequently, in due course but not yet, the records held by a hospital in Portlaoise on a child who then comes up to Dublin will be compatible. Reference was made to 4,000 staff being under CHI. Whose staff are they?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Were they HSE employees?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Where did they come from?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: CHI pays them now.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Where is CHI based?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is payroll and so on centralised through CHI?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: I thank Ms Hardiman. I wanted to clarify that. What happens when the children become adults? Where do their records go?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: The next question is directed to Mr. Barry or whoever wants to deal with it. On the financial statements, I wish to deal with capital commitments, which appear on page 25. In January of this year, the witnesses' predecessors appeared before the committee and on that day, we were given the famous figure of €1.433 billion, which was put together over the lunch break and revealed when...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am focusing on phase A first.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: What was the total cost of phase A?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: No.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am reading the information we got from the board and from our periodic report No. 6. Paragraph H.10 of our report says: Members questioned the cost of Phase A, the substructure, in relation to the overall project. The NPHDB stated that Phase A works were approximately €100m, including VAT, of all project costs. This represents approximately 7% of the current construction cost...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is going to make the rest of my questioning difficult if I cannot get the cost of what has already been completed, never mind-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: I would have thought that somebody would know the cost. We have this in our report. The board has not told us that it had any problem with its figures. We got these figures from the board; we did not make them up. It says that costs for phase A were approximately €100 million, including VAT. That would be equal to €85 million, €86 million or €87 million plus VAT.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: What does Mr. Barry believe the full figure is including VAT?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am not tying him to that €100 million.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is €100 million.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will say it is €109 million.

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