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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: It sounds to me as if we could have a public accounts committee specifically for the HSE at the rate we are going. We are putting it all in the mix. I think the Deputy would agree that if we were to stand back until there was a report in 2018, we could probably still do some more-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: That is its annual report.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: The annual report normally comes out around June.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is related to the work programme?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: The Courts Service is under our remit-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is a separate stand-alone organisation that is not under our remit.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: Who is it accountable to?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: We are then into whether it is the Judiciary or the Courts Service.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: The Courts Service is accountable to us but the judges are not and it is judges who have oversight on this matter instead of the Courts Service. That is the dilemma we have. Clearly, there is a lack of public accountability and perhaps that is something we have to deal with.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: The HSE has its annual report, some of which contains financial statements, but there are probably 100 other pages in it where the HSE tells us all the good news and how wonderful it is in respect of the different things it is doing. The committee might consider writing to the HSE about the three, four or five items and telling it that it wants a specific section in the annual report on the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: The only immediate urgency is the fact that we have meetings arranged for next week and the following week. It takes a couple of weeks lead-in for a Department to get ready to come here so we must decide the next one or two straight away and maybe have the full list of everything we mentioned here today next week. It is up to us then. The secretariat can give us a draft and we can move...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: The secretariat has heard all the topics we have mentioned and will circulate them to us with a draft timetable and at next week's meeting, we will amend and finalise matters. I want to get agreement for one meeting. Perhaps we will pick the issue of direct provision. Will we go with that? I think two meetings are booked - one on the sale of the Government jet and the other on the change...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will take land aggregation and the funding of local authorities and go with that Department in the second week of February. We will finalise our timescale from now until at least Easter by next week.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: I will ask the Comptroller and Auditor General to answer that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: Which side will Deputy Kelly be sitting on during that meeting - that side or this side?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: What is the relationship, if any, between the Comptroller and Auditor General and the people responsible for auditing local authorities?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: Is Mr. McCarthy saying that outside the Department, which is the main source of funding for local authorities, there is no independent audit function?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: I said outside of the Department.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: What is it called?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: On the basis that the commission is appointed by the Minister, it must come within our remit. We can call the commission before us.

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