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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I see from the accounts that former civil servants and former prison officers are re-employed. Is there a reason for that? It is note 5.4 in the accounts - other remuneration arrangements - and refers to 22 retired civil servants.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Yes, on that note.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: It was 22 retired civil servants and 12 retired members of An Garda Síochána. Can Ms McCaffrey clarify note 5.4 on page 17 of the appropriation accounts?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: The gardaí have retired and they are brought back in this capacity of special investigators.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Is that specifically with regard to assaults?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: How did the process come about whereby the service just picked gardaí?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: IT and computers are an issue I follow up on regularly at the committee. There is a significant allocation for that on page 13, under office equipment and external IT services. The estimate was over €4 million and the outturn was over €7 million. The Prison Service gives the reason for that as additional storage space. Does Ms McCaffrey see note 5? Can she clarify it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Is it stored on private property or in the prison?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Made up of civil servants?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Are they from private companies?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Can Ms McCaffrey explain the difference between €4.4 million and €7 million? The estimate was €4.4 million. It is a significant difference.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: On office equipment and external IT, was a business case set out? If so, is it available and to whom would it have been given?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Was there a business case for this expenditure?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Where does that business case go? We have often had discussion here - every week, practically - on business cases.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Ultimately, it rests with Ms McCaffrey as the director general.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Remaining on the accounts, I want to ask some other questions. Consultancy services and value for money also took a significant jump from the estimated provision for 2017 which was €100,000. I refer to page 13.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Nothing was spent under that heading.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Okay. I have a practical question on Thornton Hall. We are not going back into the debacle of the cost of it but I understand there is a large weekly security cost. Is that in these accounts or is it somewhere else?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Can Mr. Caldbeck explain that? This site is 163 acres.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I understand that but when we see a figure in the press of €1,000 per week, is that accurate? It is the only place I saw it. I did not see it when I went through it here.

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