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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: The first speaker to indicate was Deputy Imelda Munster, who has 20 minutes. We will have a second session in the afternoon and will have a different opening speaker for that session. Before I go to the Deputy, I wish to make one observation. This is the Committee of Public Accounts. The witnesses have told us that the agreed investment decision or agreed maximum price of €1.433...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Here we are, 12 months on. We have had the opening statements from our witnesses but not a solitary figure has been presented other than the one presented here 12 months ago. That is all I am saying and we will come back to that during the meeting. Mr. Fred Barry:I would be happy to respond to that now.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: I presume the witnesses understand my point.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Please do because it just struck me that we received no up-to-date information, other than the photographs.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes, but we will want updates.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: I stress that this will not cut across Deputy Munster's time.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: You said that.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: What about the issues referred to? Mr. Barry said that some risks are under the board's control and some are not. We are interested in the items that are not in the €1.433 billion budget, which will ultimately be a cost to the taxpayer. There seems to be a suggestion that these items are separate from the €1.433 billion budget but these are the items with which we are...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Barry has said that there is a budget and so far, the project is within that budget. However, that budget is not the full budget at all because there are lots of issues outside of the board's control. He has not said a single syllable about them. That is important in the context of our role. I am just making that point because I want the other members to come in. I do not want to...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes, but I ask the Deputy to be brief. I apologise to Deputy Munster, who is the main speaker. This is not normal procedure.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: What we are referring to is under the 2018 accounts. Note No.11 in the 2018 accounts on page 27 refers to contingent liabilities. Those liabilities are not quantified. Liabilities have been incurred, the value of which has yet to be determined. This is referenced in the 2018 accounts. We need details, fleshed out, on what those contingent liabilities are in respect of accounts signed off...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: As I often say here, that is your view. That is not necessarily the view of the committee. During the course of this meeting, people will express their own views. They are not the formal views of the committee until we make a report in due course. You are entitled to make-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Would you get references from previous employers who engaged the contractor?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: If it was not the formal case then, when did the new process commence of looking at a contractor's past history?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Would Mr. Barry consider it good practice to do this before engaging somebody? Should one speak to somebody who had engaged the contractors before?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: No, past experience of a contractor.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Grand, but does Mr. Barry think it would be good practice in the public sector?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is it the practice now?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: I did not suggest that.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: When the Department of Education and Skills tenders for schools, whether today, last year or the year before, it seeks references from organisations that have previously worked on building schools. Different parishes or locations around the country or different ETBs could be involved. Deputy Catherine Murphy will be aware of one project in my constituency and in her county in respect of...

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