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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: I will.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: I have two questions for the witnesses but before posing them, I want to get the agreement of the committee regarding something that has come up in the Chamber. We are scheduled to begin our afternoon session at 2.30 p.m but I am proposing that we move that to 3.45 p.m. It is a late start and I know it is inconvenient for members but Government business has collapsed in the Chamber. The...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Absolutely, Sinn Féin keeps the Government on its toes. That is agreed to. We need to let the Business Committee and the HSE know that we are going to defer the afternoon session. I have a few quick questions and Deputy Cullinane has asked to come back a second time. Is there a transfer panel in place for special needs assistants, SNAs?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Could the witness explain the difference?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes, in a region or whatever.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: They get priority rather than guaranteed redeployment?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: In recent years there has been competition between third level colleges for particular courses. Is there excessive competition between colleges, with some not filling courses as a result which leads to under-utilised teaching and support staff? Does that arise much? Does the witness understand the point I am making?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: I am asking a general question, not looking for specifics. Who can manage that? If every institution decides to run a course in whatever the most fashionable subject is-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: The regional thing does not answer the question. Many people outside the main cities would be as happy to go to Dublin, Cork or Galway. The region does not matter------

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: The witness needs to watch out for that. There is unnecessary competition. Third level students are quite willing to travel to different parts of the country to get away from home. State boards and the higher education institutions are mentioned in the documentation. Where are we in terms of gender balance in higher education institutions? What is the gender balance for all third level...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Is the witness able to break it down? I am concerned that there is not gender balance.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Does that militate against achieving gender balance in some situations?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: The witness might send me a note.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: I suspect there is an approximate gender balance in students at third level. I do not know about the teaching staff.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Fine. The witness can see where I am heading. Can he give us a figure for gender balance in third level teaching staff and board membership? I am sure that figure is in the Department's system. I suspect the balance is different at board level than in teaching staff or the student population.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: I know that. Can the witness give us the figures as they are? In regard to the public private partnership, PPP, programme which is covered on page 20 of the Department's accounts, there is approximately €500 million of commitments to the seven projects listed. The note on page 21 indicates that they all include design, build and financing. Is the witness able to give us the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: I understand they do the borrowing but I just want to know-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: No. Their rate is their rate. When the Department signed the contract, the cost structure of the contract was built up based on the design, the build, the maintenance, plus a financing percentage rate. Is the State irrevocably locked into a 25 year contract?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Some of these contracts are 10 or 11 or 12 years-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education and Skills
(23 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: I ask the witness to send in the report on those issues. While it may not be possible to send the most recent, it needs to be looked at. I call Deputy Cullinane.

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