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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Malcolm Byrne: It was the consultant's recommendation. It was what the consultant said and it was not interrogated by anybody in the Arts Council or anybody in the Department.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Malcolm Byrne: It was interrogated on a business case but what about on a technical case? If I buy a laptop, the business case is whether I can afford it or how I will fund it and the technical case is whether it will meet the needs.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Malcolm Byrne: Mr. Ó Coigligh looked at the business case. In other words, it is the old line about the critic knowing the price of everything but the value of nothing. It is a crucial question. We can pay any amount for a computing system but if it does not do its job-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Malcolm Byrne: I am now worried there was nobody technical, including in the Department, if the Department was aware of the case.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Malcolm Byrne: Does it have them now?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Malcolm Byrne: I ask Mr. Ó Coigligh to forgive me. Perhaps he is an expert in technology and these systems-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Malcolm Byrne: Mr. Ó Coigligh was asked if it was a ministerial decision regarding Ms Kennelly's continued appointment. Did the Minister ask for Mr. Ó Coigligh's advice?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Malcolm Byrne: What was the advice to the Minister?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Malcolm Byrne: So it was entirely the Minister, but there were discussions within the Department.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Malcolm Byrne: The Minister will obviously rely on----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Malcolm Byrne: Ms Kennelly outlined that in arts organisations it is the norm that a further five-year term would be provided. As I understand it, that is the case.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Malcolm Byrne: How often does it happen that it is not the case?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Malcolm Byrne: So it is. With regard to roles in any other arts organisations, have similar discussions happened during Mr. Ó Coigligh's time in the Department?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Malcolm Byrne: In no case, in other words, was a full extension not offered during Mr. Ó Coigligh's time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Malcolm Byrne: Why nine months?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Malcolm Byrne: So the Minister with no advice decided on a contract of only nine extra months.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Malcolm Byrne: I just want to be clear. The board recommended and was happy to extend the contract. It was a unanimous decision of the board. Is that correct? It went to the Department. The Minister does not get to see anything until it is brought to him. I accept it was a ministerial decision. In terms of the recruitment process, will the job description of the next director be in any way different?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Malcolm Byrne: Will the Department be making any recommendations regarding a change in the job description?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Malcolm Byrne: I am sorry. Mr. Ó Coigligh is talking about the skill set, so it is obviously felt that the current director should not continue within nine months. I disagree with the decision, but I respect it is the Minister's. There is clearly a reason the Minister made that decision, though. Will Mr. Ó Coigligh outline why that is the case. What different skill set to the current director...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Malcolm Byrne: Should we ask the Minister directly why he made that decision?

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