Dáil debates

Tuesday, 23 January 2024

Ceisteanna Eile - Other Questions

Departmental Reports

10:05 pm

Photo of Colm BurkeColm Burke (Cork North Central, Fine Gael)
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53. To ask the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence to advise what progress has been made to date in respect of the key recommendations set out in the independent review group into the Defence Forces' report of 2023; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [2636/24]

Photo of Colm BurkeColm Burke (Cork North Central, Fine Gael)
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Will the Tánaiste outline what progress has been made to date on the key recommendations set out in the independent review group, IRG, into the Defence Forces' report of 2023?Will he make statement on the matter?

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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I thank the Deputy for raising the issue. The report of the IRG established to examine dignity and equality issues in the Defence Forces was published following Government approval on 28 March 2023. The Government agreed to progress the recommendations contained in the report.

One of the first actions taken was the establishment of an external oversight body, initially on a non-statutory basis, which is a critical element to driving the necessary culture change throughout the Defence Forces and increasing transparency and accountability. Professor Brian MacCraith agreed to chair the body and last July, the Government approved its terms of reference. To date, the external oversight body had met on 17 occasions and last November I received its first written report in what is, from here on, a quarterly reporting cycle.

In a further important development, last month the Government approved the general scheme of the Defence (Amendment) Bill 2023, which includes provisions for the establishment of the external body on a statutory basis. The general scheme has since been published on my Department’s website. In July 2023, the Government also approved the text of the Criminal Law (Sexual Offences and Human Trafficking) Bill 2023. Part 4 of the Bill amends sections 169 and 192 of the Defence Act 1954 in line with a recommendation in the IRG report. These amendments will ensure An Garda Síochána will have sole jurisdiction within the State to investigate alleged sexual offences committed by persons subject to military law. Any subsequent cases will be dealt with by the civil courts. The Bill is progressing through the Dáil and is currently on Report Stage.

On 16 January, the Government approved the terms of reference for a judge-led tribunal of inquiry to examine the effectiveness of the complaints processes in the Defence Forces concerning workplace issues relating to discrimination, bullying, harassment, sexual harassment and sexual misconduct. It will also have the power to investigate the response to complaints made regarding the use of hazardous chemicals within Air Corps’ headquarters at Casement Aerodrome, Baldonnel. I am very pleased that Ms Justice Ann Power will chair the tribunal and I express my gratitude, and that of the Government, to her for agreeing to take on this very important task.

Over the coming week, I will move motions seeking the approval of both Houses to formally establish the tribunal and thereby allow its work to get under way as early as possible this year. In a further development last week, I announced the appointment of Mr. Kevin Duffy as the independent chair of the working group that is to be established to develop a complaints process for civilians and civil servants working with the Defence Forces. He brings a wealth of experience. Following discussions with officials in my Department, the Garda Commissioner has established a helpline for victims of sexual assault to report historical or current cases.

Photo of Colm BurkeColm Burke (Cork North Central, Fine Gael)
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I thank the Minister for his reply and the work that has been done to date. However, the report states:

The reported practices appear to have created a lack of trust in leadership. This emerges strongly from the Perceptions and Experiences survey (2022) and the Benchmarking Report (2022) data which show that 50% of survey respondents are either ‘very dissatisfied’ or ‘somewhat dissatisfied’ with people senior to them.

There are 13 recommendations in chapter 4 of the report that was published and I am wondering how many of them have been carried out to date. The Minister referred to the legislation and some of the recommendations require legislative change. However, with respect to the ones that do not, how many of them have been put in place to ensure members the Defence Forces are satisfied with the job they are in?

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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A significant number of the recommendations have been followed through on and have been worked on. I did not list them all there. The whole consultation around the establishment of a tribunal has taken an especially lengthy time, and rightly so, because people wanted to consult and get it right and have suggestions made that we have taken on board. We moved very quickly on identifying that justice Bill for ensuring all sexual assault is investigated by An Garda Síochána. We have also taken steps in respect of the treatment of women in the Defence Forces and in respect of a whole range of the recommendations that were made to make the work environment one where dignity is the key principle that is followed.

I can get a list for the Deputy of all the areas we have followed through on. The external oversight body has been established, but now we are going to put it on a legislative footing. We have published that legislation. There is a lot of work going on. Then we produced the strategic overarching framework, which involves both recommendations of the IDG and also the CODF.

Photo of Colm BurkeColm Burke (Cork North Central, Fine Gael)
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If a survey was done in the morning on the issue of the restoration of confidence, is the Minister satisfied we have made enough progress? I fully accept the action taken on this report goes back only to March 2023.

It is a very short timeframe but to get people into the Defence Forces, we need to make sure they are going into a job that they are not concerned about as regards how they will be treated, particularly female members who are joining. Is the Minister satisfied that we are restoring confidence and that by this time next year, for example, we will have made major progress in that whole area?

10:15 pm

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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The Deputy summed it up himself when he said that cultural change takes time.

Photo of Colm BurkeColm Burke (Cork North Central, Fine Gael)
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Absolutely.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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I am not satisfied yet. I think we still have some distance to go but we are making progress on a whole range of fronts. On the pay front, the Government has made significant progress with things like the patrol duty allowance and medical care. While they are not specific to the independent review group, they are important in terms of the overall quality of the work environment within the Defence Forces. We have made a lot of progress on the working time directive, which is equally important in respect of quality of life for people working in the Defence Forces. There are fundamental issues in terms of training and command and control. These are complex issues that were part of the report of the Commission on the Defence Forces that we are now examining. The recommendations will take a lot of resourcing to implement but we are determined to do so. There is an overarching strategic framework, which encompasses the recommendations of both the independent review group and the Commission on the Defence Forces. They all dovetail, ultimately, in terms of having a better place and better prospects for people working in the Defence Forces.