Dáil debates

Thursday, 18 January 2024

Ceisteanna Eile - Other Questions

State Bodies

10:20 am

Photo of Richard BrutonRichard Bruton (Dublin Bay North, Fine Gael)
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12. To ask the Minister for Health if he will outline the membership of the commission on ageing; and how the public will be able to engage with it. [2082/24]

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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I am taking this question on behalf of Deputy Bruton. This question seeks to obtain information regarding the membership of the commission on ageing and now the public will be expected to interact with it and, as a result, influence it.

Photo of Mary ButlerMary Butler (Waterford, Fianna Fail)
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As the Deputy will be aware, in furtherance of the commitment in the programme for Government, in October this year the Minister for Health and I sought the establishment of a commission on care and we got approval from the Cabinet. Subsequently, a budget of €1.24 million was allocated to support this important initiative. The commission will examine the provision of health and social care services and supports for older people and make recommendations to the Government for their strategic development. Subsequently, a cross-departmental group will be established under the auspices of the commission to consider whether the supports for positive ageing across the life course are fit for purpose and to develop a costed implementation plan. It is really important that we have this because we often see documentation that proposes many measures, but these must be realistic as well and we have to be able to fund them.

I suppose we are coming from the perspective that everyone is ageing. We have one of the largest ageing populations in Europe. It is also important to point out, though, that thanks to all the very good work done daily we have the highest life expectancy in the EU, as deemed by the World Health Organization, WHO, at 82. It is also important to acknowledge that Ireland was the first country in the world to achieve age-friendly status in 2019 from the WHO.

If we speak to older people, they will tell us that their preference is to be able to age in place in their own house in their own home community with the correct wrap-around supports. It is very important, therefore, that this commission will look at all of these options.

The commission will be independently chaired. In December this year, Professor Alan Barrett, chief executive of the ESRI, was appointed as chairperson of the commission. I met with Professor Barrett before Christmas. I will respond further after the Deputy's next question

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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I thank the Minister of State for her detailed reply. We are all conscious of the fact that as people get older they require a greater level of services and better or improved services, and this changes too as time goes by. Has the membership of the commission been determined and, if so, who are those members? In respect of their interaction with the community, how will a means be found to ensure there is a ready change of information and dialogue to allow the commission and older people throughout the country to avail of and benefit from it?

Photo of Mary ButlerMary Butler (Waterford, Fianna Fail)
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The membership of the commission has yet to be determined. We are working on it now and had a meeting on it yesterday. It is envisaged that in line with the commission's approved remit, its members will collectively provide expertise across the areas of geriatrics, gerontology, health economics, health policy and management, health ethics, health technologies and ageing and disability. Stakeholder engagement, including with the public, will be central to the work of the commission. As I said, it will be established in early 2024.

The commission will report in three modules. We will have the first six-month module, which will be completed by the summer. We will then move to module two, which will take another six months. Module three will take longer because of the amount of work that will be involved in it. Engagement and collaboration with stakeholders will be a central component of this endeavour. We will be looking forward to announcing the membership of the commission very soon.

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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Given we have a longer life expectancy now, and the information the Minister of State gave us in this regard is welcome, we must be conscious that some people now carry on work until an older age than they did in the past, and rightly so. In fact, the classic example is the need to recruit people who have experience and are available to continue at work. These are all welcome.

There is, however, also the question regarding the fact that we might sometimes overlook the obvious in the course of all demands in front of us. For example, it is not so easy for older people who may have mobility issues to go shopping. I acknowledge that various types of assistance are available whereby they shop online, etc. Nonetheless, it is important that the various challenges older people are likely to meet be borne in mind.

Photo of Mary ButlerMary Butler (Waterford, Fianna Fail)
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The Deputy is quite right. The first two modules of this work will focus on the provision of health and social care services and supports for older people. We know, for example, that we have 323 day centres operational. We also have an additional 52 dementia-specific day centres, which are really important for people who have a dementia diagnosis but still want to be able to live in their own homes.

Today, more than 56,000 people will receive home care in their homes. It is hugely important to be able to support people to be able to age in place. The Deputy spoke about transport. We know that Local Link, especially in the local areas, is an important facet to support older people. I also wish to mention organisations like Meals on Wheels. More than 2 million meals were delivered in 2023 to approximately 50,000 people. It is so much more than the meal itself. It is the knock on the door and the social connection, like the postman coming.

The commission's envisaged work is very ambitious but it is very timely that we do have a commission on care for older people. We are all ageing day by day. We are all only going in the one direction and everybody wants to be able to live well in their own communities.

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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I thank the Minister of State.

Photo of Ruairi Ó MurchúRuairi Ó Murchú (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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I call Deputy Tóibín to ask the next question. We will probably not be able to get the full question dealt with.