Dáil debates

Thursday, 15 June 2023

Ceisteanna ar Sonraíodh Uain Dóibh - Priority Questions

Energy Policy

10:40 am

Photo of Darren O'RourkeDarren O'Rourke (Meath East, Sinn Fein)
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74. To ask the Minister for Communications, Climate Action and Environment if he will provide an update on the Government’s energy security review and, separately the review by a person (details supplied); when he expects both to be published; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [28919/23]

Photo of Darren O'RourkeDarren O'Rourke (Meath East, Sinn Fein)
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My question is to ask the Minister for the Environment, Climate and Communications if he will provide an update on the Government’s energy security review and, separately the review by Mr. Dermot McCarthy; when he expects both to be published; and if he will make a statement on the matter.

Photo of Eamon RyanEamon Ryan (Dublin Bay South, Green Party)
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My Department is currently finalising its review of security of energy supply of Ireland’s electricity and natural gas systems. The review is focused on the period to 2030, but in the context of ensuring a sustainable transition to a net zero economy by 2050. The Government’s policy objectives are to ensure energy is affordable, sustainable, and secure, as well as in line with Ireland’s climate targets and statutory carbon budgets. Underpinned by these objectives, the review is considering the risks to both natural gas and electricity supplies, and a range of mitigation measures, including the need for additional capacity of indigenous renewable energy but also energy imports, energy storage, fuel diversification, demand side response and renewable gases such as hydrogen. To support its development, a detailed technical analysis has been published and an extensive consultation process carried out, providing important insights from over 450 individuals and organisations on the range of options that could be implemented to support Ireland’s security of supply framework.

The McCarthy review into security of supply of the electricity system has been a further key input informing the analysis and will be published alongside the completion of the review. The completion of that review is a key priority. Once the review is completed, which I expect to be next month, when it will also be published, I will bring my recommendations to Government. Subject to Government approval, as I said, it will be published at that time.

Photo of Darren O'RourkeDarren O'Rourke (Meath East, Sinn Fein)
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There has been a lot of movement in the meantime since the publication of the initial document about the energy security review. There has been jockeying, I think, and public arguments, and some of it is represents some of the Minister's own comments at different stages. There are those who have argued for liquefied natural gas, LNG, infrastructure for example. Does the Minister have a comment regarding that? Similarly, it is welcome that the ESB is looking at Kinsale gas field for potential gas storage. What criteria will apply? We heard from Professor Barry McMullin about the trilemma that exists in terms of sustainability, cost and security. He made the point that it is not a trilemma as they are not equal and not three legs of a stool. The priority has to be the sustainability piece. The Minister has echoed that position. How will he give effect to that, if that is his position?

Photo of Eamon RyanEamon Ryan (Dublin Bay South, Green Party)
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It is my position. As Minister, I have to look at all three. As policymakers, we must all do so.

Climate must come first because there is the physical reality that we cannot avoid the risk of passing various tipping points. We have to stay within certain limits. Those limits are set by physics and the meteorological system. They cannot vary. There is a real limit on the environmental side. When it comes to providing security or competitiveness, there are always a variety of different ways by which that can be done, for example, by being more efficient, switching to renewables and looking at a range of different strategies. In my mind, it is the case that the sustainability criteria within the trilemma does have pre-eminence.

If you look at what has been done in the past year in response to the energy security problems we did have, you can see that the real benefit is that we are delivering new additional backup power that complements our move towards a zero-carbon system. I refer to power generation at the North Wall, in Aghada, Shannonbridge, Tarbert and by all the projects we legislated for here on an emergency development basis. We are building those and we are delivering them. You do not ignore security; you have to provide for it. That is being done by means of the actions to which I refer.

10:50 am

Photo of Darren O'RourkeDarren O'Rourke (Meath East, Sinn Fein)
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I thank the Minister for that. It is important to look at the Dermot McCarthy review. What went wrong with the T-4 auction? Are there lessons to be learned to ensure that when capacity is procured, it is delivered? The Minister said that he has the report and that it will be published in line with the energy security review. Is it the case that there will be proposed changes to our auction system, to the capacity or role of the Commission for Regulation of Utilities or to other relevant authorities in terms of the delivery of committed capacity? Also, will recommendations be made around the sanction for companies that do not deliver on committed capacity?

Photo of Eamon RyanEamon Ryan (Dublin Bay South, Green Party)
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First, it is intended to publish the Dermot McCarthy review in conjunction with the energy security review. It was decided to put back that publication at that time because it is appropriate that his work complements the other work that is being done.

In terms of lessons, there are lessons to be learned from that. One of the things to recognise is that the development of the new capacity auction system was among the first examples of how European legislation approached this. It was only in 2017 and 2018 that the approach that was outlined by Europe was agreed. This was the first iteration. It was useful and we have to learn from that. There are technical examples. A learning may be, for example, how tolerant would one be in the area of security or of a loss of load. Going from memory, our figure was something like eight hours per annum, whereas some other neighbouring jurisdictions had lower. We will look at that as an example of how willing we should be or what sort of parameters we should set in terms of security. The wider sense is that we did not pay sufficient attention to potential security problems. We will have to provide additional investment to make sure that in future we do not see a repeat of that possibility.