Dáil debates

Wednesday, 20 March 2013

Other Questions

Hospital Acquired Infections

3:55 pm

Photo of Áine CollinsÁine Collins (Cork North West, Fine Gael)
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To ask the Minister for Health the measures that have been taken to tackle MRSA in Cork University Hospital; the impact of these measures; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14273/13]

Photo of Andrew DoyleAndrew Doyle (Wicklow, Fine Gael)
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To ask the Minister for Health the measures that have been taken to tackle MRSA in Tallaght Hospital, Dublin 24; the impact of these measures; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14315/13]

Photo of Paul ConnaughtonPaul Connaughton (Galway East, Fine Gael)
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To ask the Minister for Health the measures that have been taken to tackle MRSA in Portiuncula Hospital, Ballinasloe, County Galway; the impact of these measures; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14331/13]

Photo of Joe CareyJoe Carey (Clare, Fine Gael)
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To ask the Minister for Health the measures that have been taken to tackle MRSA in Mid-Western Regional Hospital, Ennis, County Clare; the impact of these measures; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14332/13]

Photo of Peter MathewsPeter Mathews (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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To ask the Minister for Health the measures that have been taken to tackle MRSA in Our Lady’s Children’s Hospital, Crumlin, Dublin; the impact of these measures; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14328/13]

Photo of Nicky McFaddenNicky McFadden (Longford-Westmeath, Fine Gael)
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To ask the Minister for Health the measures that have been taken to tackle MRSA in Midland Regional Hospital, Mullingar, County Westmeath; the impact of these measures; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14284/13]

Photo of Brendan GriffinBrendan Griffin (Kerry South, Fine Gael)
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To ask the Minister for Health the measures that have been taken to tackle MRSA in Kerry General Hospital; the impact of these measures; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14336/13]

Photo of Noel HarringtonNoel Harrington (Cork South West, Fine Gael)
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To ask the Minister for Health the measures that have been taken to tackle MRSA in Mercy University Hospital, Cork; the impact of these measures; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14277/13]

Photo of Pat BreenPat Breen (Clare, Fine Gael)
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To ask the Minister for Health the measures that have been taken to tackle MRSA nationally; the impact of these measures; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14261/13]

Photo of Eoghan MurphyEoghan Murphy (Dublin South East, Fine Gael)
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To ask the Minister for Health the measures that have been taken to tackle MRSA in St Vincent’s University Hospital, Elm Park, Dublin 4; the impact of these measures; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14311/13]

Photo of Tom BarryTom Barry (Cork East, Fine Gael)
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To ask the Minister for Health the measures that have been taken to tackle MRSA in Mallow General Hospital, County Cork; the impact of these measures; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14334/13]

Photo of Joe McHughJoe McHugh (Donegal North East, Fine Gael)
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To ask the Minister for Health the measures that have been taken to tackle MRSA in Letterkenny General Hospital, County Donegal; the impact of these measures; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14338/13]

Photo of Charles FlanaganCharles Flanagan (Laois-Offaly, Fine Gael)
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To ask the Minister for Health the measures that have been taken to tackle MRSA in Midland Regional Hospital, Portlaoise, County Laois; the impact of these measures; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14287/13]

Photo of Noel CoonanNoel Coonan (Tipperary North, Fine Gael)
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To ask the Minister for Health the measures that have been taken to tackle MRSA in Mid-Western Regional Hospital, Nenagh, County Tipperary; the impact of these measures; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14327/13]

Photo of Frank FeighanFrank Feighan (Roscommon-South Leitrim, Fine Gael)
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To ask the Minister for Health the measures that have been taken to tackle MRSA in Sligo General Hospital; the impact of these measures; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14303/13]

Photo of Frank FeighanFrank Feighan (Roscommon-South Leitrim, Fine Gael)
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To ask the Minister for Health the measures that have been taken to tackle MRSA in Roscommon County Hospital; the impact of these measures; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14335/13]

Photo of John O'MahonyJohn O'Mahony (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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To ask the Minister for Health the measures that have been taken to tackle MRSA in Mayo General Hospital; the impact of these measures; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14339/13]

Photo of Liam TwomeyLiam Twomey (Wexford, Fine Gael)
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To ask the Minister for Health the measures that have been taken to tackle MRSA in Wexford General Hospital; the impact of these measures; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14325/13]

Photo of Tom BarryTom Barry (Cork East, Fine Gael)
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To ask the Minister for Health the measures that have been taken to tackle MRSA in South Infirmary-Victoria University Hospital, County Cork; the impact of these measures; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14330/13]

Photo of Anthony LawlorAnthony Lawlor (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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To ask the Minister for Health the measures that have been taken to tackle MRSA in Naas General Hospital, County Kildare; the impact of these measures; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14340/13]

Photo of Jim DalyJim Daly (Cork South West, Fine Gael)
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To ask the Minister for Health the measures that have been taken to tackle MRSA in Bantry General Hospital, County Cork; the impact of these measures; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14265/13]

Photo of Olivia MitchellOlivia Mitchell (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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To ask the Minister for Health the measures that have been taken to tackle MRSA in Midland Regional Hospital, Tullamore, County Offaly; the impact of these measures; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14291/13]

Photo of Jim DalyJim Daly (Cork South West, Fine Gael)
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To ask the Minister for Health the measures that have been taken to tackle MRSA in Waterford Regional Hospital; the impact of these measures; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14323/13]

Photo of Kieran O'DonnellKieran O'Donnell (Limerick City, Fine Gael)
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To ask the Minister for Health the measures that have been taken to tackle MRSA in Mid-Western Regional Hospital, Dooradoyle, County Limerick; the impact of these measures; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14281/13]

Photo of Peter MathewsPeter Mathews (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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To ask the Minister for Health the measures that have been taken to tackle MRSA in St James’s Hospital, Dublin; the impact of these measures; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [14329/13]

Photo of Caoimhghín Ó CaoláinCaoimhghín Ó Caoláin (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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I do not wish to cause any aggravation but I wish to have my view put on record. There are 91 questions in the names of Fine Gael Deputies. I would judge eight of those questions to have been written by their respective authors, the named Deputies, but 83 of them are definitely manufactured by a single hand, each of them seeking information on measures that have been taken. I do not deny anyone the right to pose a question but the consequence of this is that I, as an Opposition Deputy, will not have the opportunity to pose an oral question to the Minister during the single opportunity I have each month to hold him to account in the House. That is my solemn objection. This is indefensible and I ask the Leas-Cheann Comhairle to report this to the Ceann Comhairle. I also appeal to the Minister and, particularly, to the two Ministers of State in the Department, who are both in the Labour Party, the Members of which are not party to this which has solely and wholly emanated from Fine Gael, to address this matter so this abuse does not continue in this House.

Photo of Jerry ButtimerJerry Buttimer (Cork South Central, Fine Gael)
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As a back bench Member of this House, elected by the people, have I the right to place a question to the Minister of any Department for oral or written reply?

Photo of Billy KelleherBilly Kelleher (Cork North Central, Fianna Fail)
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They must be telepathic. Every one of the Fine Gael offices must be linked telepathically because they all wrote the same question.

Photo of Michael KittMichael Kitt (Galway East, Fianna Fail)
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Every Deputy is entitled to table two questions to a Minister. That is clear.

Photo of Jerry ButtimerJerry Buttimer (Cork South Central, Fine Gael)
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I thank the Leas-Cheann Comhairle for that answer.

Photo of Michael KittMichael Kitt (Galway East, Fianna Fail)
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If Deputies have issues about this, they should raise them at the Committee on Procedure and Privileges.

Photo of Róisín ShortallRóisín Shortall (Dublin North West, Independent)
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It is done to avoid any accountability. He is up to his usual tricks.

Photo of James ReillyJames Reilly (Dublin North, Fine Gael)
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I propose to take Questions Nos. 7, 9, 27, 35, 36, 50, 56, 58, 65, 69, 72, 86, 94, 100, 107, 111, 123, 127, 137, 146, 152, 153, 158, 165 and 169 together.

I am pleased to inform the Deputies that MRSA rates are at a six year low and I would like to assure all Deputies that the management of health care associated infections, HCAIs, including MRSA, is a key patient safety issue for my Department and the Health Service Executive. A number of significant initiatives have been developed to address that important public health issue, including the HSE's national infection control plan, which was launched in 2007 and the aim of which was to reduce HCAIs and to target MRSA infection and antibiotic consumption. A national surveillance system was also established by the HSE to collect data and provide information to monitor HCAIs in our health system, along with the establishment of the clinical care programme for HCAIs.

With regard to the prevention and spread of MRSA, it should be noted that the number of cases of MRSA has decreased steadily.

Individual hospital MRSA rates are also collected and published - annually for 2006 and 2007 and quarterly from 2008 onwards. These results provide a good benchmark for the future to enable us to measure effectively the progress of each hospital on their performance in infection prevention and control. The data can be used by individual hospitals to monitor their progress in the control of healthcare associated infections and the Health Protection Surveillance Centre's regular reports allow for public assessment of that progress. It should be noted that this data does not allow direct comparison between individual hospitals as it does not take account of differences in patient populations, clinical services provided, inter-hospital patient transfers and other differences in activity between hospitals.

4:05 pm

Photo of Derek KeatingDerek Keating (Dublin Mid West, Fine Gael)
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I presume I will get the written reply showing the figures on Tallaght Hospital in due course.

I welcome the progress and the effort the Minister and front-line staff in the hospitals have been making. I note that over the past couple of years every effort has been made to tackle this MRSA issue.

I know at first hand of the dedication of the professionals, such as nurses and doctors, who work in the health service and in infection control. However, the number of deaths, amputations, chronic infections and debilitating conditions that the MRSA has caused is devastating, especially in circumstances where it can be prevented.

Photo of Michael KittMichael Kitt (Galway East, Fianna Fail)
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A question, please.

Photo of Derek KeatingDerek Keating (Dublin Mid West, Fine Gael)
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I welcome the announcement today. I am looking forward to getting the figures on Tallaght Hospital which serves those in my constituency.

I say this to Deputies Kelleher and Ó Caoláin.

Photo of Billy KelleherBilly Kelleher (Cork North Central, Fianna Fail)
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Deputy Keating may say what he likes.

Photo of Derek KeatingDerek Keating (Dublin Mid West, Fine Gael)
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Over the past two years, I have sat for many long hours in this House, at the Committee Stage of Bills and at Oireachtas committee meetings and listened to where members of Fianna Fáil, the Technical Group and Sinn Féin have got priority time. Often I have gone away from those meetings and Dáil sessions without having the opportunity of speaking, and I have never once complained.

Photo of Michael KittMichael Kitt (Galway East, Fianna Fail)
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My only concern is that each Deputy has one minute.

Photo of Derek KeatingDerek Keating (Dublin Mid West, Fine Gael)
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And I have never brought the House into disrepute.

Photo of James ReillyJames Reilly (Dublin North, Fine Gael)
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I am pleased to be able to tell Deputy Keating that Tallaght Hospital's rate of MRSA has fallen, from 27 cases in 2008 to seven cases in 2012. This is a provisional figure because we must be absolutely sure.

The hospital follows national MRSA guidelines and has a comprehensive programme to reduce MRSA, including screening of patients for infection. Infection control measures include hand-hygiene, appropriate use of antibiotics, surveillance and audit of infection, and staff education and research.

Given that there is such interest from Deputy Kelleher, perhaps he would like to know the Cork University Hospital rate of MRSA has fallen, from 25 cases in 2008 to 17 cases in 2012. The infection prevention control service for Cork University Hospital is based on an internationally accepted model. Measures to minimise the spread of MRSA within Cork University Hospital include adherence to hand-hygiene protocols; detection of MRSA cases and carriers and prompt isolation of patients with MRSA to prevent and control spread; prompt decolonisation protocols; strict anti-biotic control of both systemic and topical antibiotic uses; and early discharge of patients and environmental hygiene controls. Since 2010, there has been a 20% reduction in MRSA across the country.

Photo of Derek KeatingDerek Keating (Dublin Mid West, Fine Gael)
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I welcome the figures announced by the Minister on Tallaght Hospital.

Photo of Jerry ButtimerJerry Buttimer (Cork South Central, Fine Gael)
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As somebody who has not submitted a question I welcome the fact that in the city of Cork there has been a 46% reduction in MRSA cases. The significant progress we have made in Cork is something about which we should not become complacent. I believe the Minister will agree that no patient should have to endure the horror of picking up an infection in hospital. Having recently met staff in all of the Cork city hospitals on the matter, I thank the workers, the healthcare professionals and healthcare assistants, who work in the hospitals.

In light of the fact that there has been a reduction of 20% nationally, and of 46% in the case of Cork, what plans has the Department in regard to every patient having a right to feel safe in our hospitals?

It is not acceptable for people to be allowed to become seriously infected as a consequence of MRSA within hospitals, as happened in the past, in some cases leading to death.

4:10 pm

Photo of James ReillyJames Reilly (Dublin North, Fine Gael)
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I thank the Deputy for his comments. In fairness to the previous Government, figures for MRSA incidence were beginning to fall after 2008. It is important that all of us in the House should reassure patients going into hospitals that they will be in a safe place and come out better than when they went in. With hospital acquired infections, sometimes that is not the case and we need to strive to do everything we can to address that. One of the main areas we need to address is the overuse of antibiotics. It often takes doctors - particularly in primary care but also in hospitals - longer to explain to people why they do not need an antibiotic than it does to prescribe it. We need to continue to strive to address that issue. We have made progress, but we need to make much more and we will continue to do that. Patient safety and outcomes must be to the fore of all our policies. As long as we do that, I do not believe we will go too far wrong.

Photo of Caoimhghín Ó CaoláinCaoimhghín Ó Caoláin (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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How many new isolation beds have been introduced in hospitals in the past two years to address the issue of hospital-based infections? For several years an issue of great concern to many of us here has been the failure of hospital authorities to advise either patients or their families that they had contracted MRSA or other hospital-based infections. Can the Minister assure the House that the current practice is that the presentation of MRSA or any other hospital-based infections is advised to patients and their families so that, unlike in the past, we do not need to wait to read it on a death certificate?

Photo of James ReillyJames Reilly (Dublin North, Fine Gael)
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Health care associated infection prevalence in the Republic of Ireland, at 5.2%, was lower than that reported for England at 6.4%, but higher than that reported in Scotland at 4.9%. We have made progress and have much more progress to make.

The Deputy asked about the increase in the number of single rooms or isolation rooms. I would need to delve into the system to get a comprehensive answer to that question. We have had the advent of the new 100 bed wing at St. Vincent's Hospital and any newer hospitals or new wings being developed are all single bed en-suite rooms, which represents the way forward. Of course, the national paediatric hospital will consist of single rooms as well. In Beaumont, Cork and other areas, additional en-suite facilities have been built on, often with the help of the Cystic Fibrosis Society of Ireland, which is always very welcome.

Photo of Michael KittMichael Kitt (Galway East, Fianna Fail)
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I call Deputy O'Donovan.

Photo of Caoimhghín Ó CaoláinCaoimhghín Ó Caoláin (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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It is not just CF, of course.

Photo of James ReillyJames Reilly (Dublin North, Fine Gael)
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I understand that.

Photo of Caoimhghín Ó CaoláinCaoimhghín Ó Caoláin (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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I ask the Minister to answer the question about notifying patients and their families, which is very important.

Photo of Michael KittMichael Kitt (Galway East, Fianna Fail)
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Two other Deputies are offering and I have called Deputy O'Donovan.

Photo of Patrick O'DonovanPatrick O'Donovan (Limerick, Fine Gael)
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I have previously asked the Minister about clothing policies in hospitals vis-à-vis the risk of the spread of infection. In the UK there is a policy of bare below the elbow and no neckties. I know some Members of this House also follow that policy. Regarding the spread of infection from patient to patient in a hospital environment, are the Department and the HSE giving consideration to this matter? Research and reports on it are mixed and varied.

Photo of Billy KelleherBilly Kelleher (Cork North Central, Fianna Fail)
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We welcome any reduction in MRSA incidence. Obviously the HIQA report did not glorify all aspects of reductions in MRSA incidence. Clearly much work needs to be done on the basics of hand hygiene and basic cleanliness in our hospitals. Rather than grandstanding and backslapping and complimenting the Minister on the reduction in MRSA incidence, we should ensure basic hand hygiene and cleanliness of our hospitals are to the fore in any policies or the review of any policies.

Photo of James ReillyJames Reilly (Dublin North, Fine Gael)
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I agree with the Deputy that more work needs to be done and that we need to reinforce continually to professionals - doctors in particular - the message on hand cleaning and hygiene. The same applies to people coming into and going out of hospitals.

The issue raised by Deputy Ó Caoláin of the reporting of MRSA, including to the patient that he or she has contracted it, is an important one. I would not stand over anything else. It should be only on a very rare occasion that that would not happen. We need to move away from defensive medicine and an unwillingness to share information. As far as I am concerned, it is for this reason we need a patient safety authority, which will be introduced on an administrative basis this year. As a doctor, my experience has been that when something goes wrong, what people want is an acknowledgement that it went wrong, an apology for it having gone wrong and an assurance that it will not happen again because change will be brought about. If they get this, they do not feel the need to go to the law. Very often, people are utterly frustrated because they do not get the information they want. Everyone then becomes defensive and the matter ends up in the hands of the legal profession. Sadly, approximately one third of what we pay out in terms of these events goes to the legal profession, which issue I want to address.

4:15 pm

Photo of Michael KittMichael Kitt (Galway East, Fianna Fail)
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We now move to Question No. 8.

Photo of Tony McLoughlinTony McLoughlin (Sligo-North Leitrim, Fine Gael)
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I would like to ask a question of the Minister in relation to the previous question.

Photo of Michael KittMichael Kitt (Galway East, Fianna Fail)
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The Deputy may run out of time.

Photo of James ReillyJames Reilly (Dublin North, Fine Gael)
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To be helpful, I will read my response to Question No. 8 quickly. That should afford Deputy McLoughlin with ample opportunity to put his questions.