Dáil debates

Tuesday, 26 April 2005

Priority Questions.

Higher Education Grants.

3:00 pm

Photo of Jan O'SullivanJan O'Sullivan (Limerick East, Labour)
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Question 55: To ask the Minister for Education and Science if she will give a breakdown, county by county, of the new awards of higher education grants under socio-economic categories for the 2001-2002 and subsequent academic year; if she is satisfied the allocation of grants is fair and representative of the geographic and socio-economic breakdown of the country; the action she intends to take to broaden access to third level grants; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [13162/05]

Photo of Mary HanafinMary Hanafin (Dún Laoghaire, Fianna Fail)
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The most recent data on participation rates at third level is that published in the HEA review of higher education participation in 2003, which showed that participation in higher education among the school leaver age cohort has passed the 50% mark for the first time. The study puts the overall transfer rate to higher education in 2003 at 54%, as opposed to 44% in 1998, 36% in 1992, 25% in 1986 and 20% in 1980. This data is based on a full census of entrants.

The study also contains findings based on a sample of new entrants relating to their socio-economic breakdown in that year. It should be noted that previous studies on participation by socio-economic groups, the Clancy reports, conducted in regard to 1998, 1992, 1986 and 1982 were based on a census of new entrants in these years. A follow up to previous Clancy studies based on a census of entrants in 2004 is under way and will provide a full picture of progress in higher education participation by socio-economic grouping since 1998.

Final analysis and comparison with previous Clancy studies, together with any policy conclusions, should await the outcome of the full survey that will be available later this year. The current study provides some interesting pointers nonetheless, suggesting that participation rates of some of the lower socio-economic groups have increased substantially, in among particular skilled, semi-skilled and unskilled manual and other non-manual workers.

On the issue of the number of students in receipt of financial assistance under the student support schemes, the most recent figures show that 11,500 benefited from top up grants as well as the basic maintenance grant. This Government introduced the top up grant to provide greater assistance to the most disadvantaged students. We should note that the maximum amount of grant support available this year, inclusive of the top grant, is €4,855 compared to €2,032 in 1996-97.

In so far as data on the socio-economic backgrounds of grantholders is concerned, my Department has collected a limited amount in the past with specific reference to the higher education grants scheme. For this reason, the level of data the Deputy requested is not yet available for each of the schemes. Looking to the future, the HEA has been working with the universities and institutes of technology to develop an electronic student record system at the request of my Department. This is intended to provide more detailed information on students, including their socio-economic backgrounds. I have asked the HEA to examine how this might provide more timely and reliable data on the socio-economic backgrounds of grantholders.

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On the matter of the system for allocating higher education grants, the Deputy will be aware that I propose to introduce a single unified scheme of maintenance grants for students in higher education for the academic year 2006-07 in accordance with the commitment in An Agreed Programme for Government. In this context, I intend to put in place a more coherent administration system as early as possible that will facilitate consistency of application and improved client accessibility. This is necessary if we are to ensure public confidence in the awards system and the timely delivery of grants to those who most need them.

Whatever new arrangements are eventually decided upon will be provided for in the new statutory arrangements through a student support Bill. This Bill, which will provide a statutory underpinning for the schemes, will have the promotion of equality of access as a key objective. I envisage that the Bill will also provide for an independent appeals system. The timeframe for the introduction of this Bill is contingent on the range of issues that are the subject of ongoing consultations.

Another significant development in the area of access to third level education was the launch of the national action plan in December 2004 prepared by the National Office for Equity of Access to Higher Education with the assistance of an advisory committee from the education and social partners. A key objective of the plan is the development of the most effective means of increasing the access and participation of learners from disadvantaged schools and communities in higher education. My Department is in consultation with the universities and institutes of technology about their proposals for alternative entry and retention processes to improve access opportunities for students from socio-economically disadvantaged backgrounds.

Photo of Jan O'SullivanJan O'Sullivan (Limerick East, Labour)
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The Minister's answer was interesting but did not address my question. I asked about students who received grants for the year 2001-02. Is it a failure of the Minister's Department that the most recent statistics on grants and socio-economic breakdown are for the year 2000-01? These figures have been out since 2004 but there are three subsequent academic years for which we do not have figures. When does the Minister expect the information on 2001-02 to become available?

Does the Minister feel there is a need to overhaul the system? This is the intention of the student support Bill, which I am to understand will not be introduced for some time. Figures show that twice as many students from farming, professional, managerial and self-employed backgrounds received grants than students from lower socio-economic groups in 2000-01. We were promised a centralisation of this system. I propose that we have not received this because there is a dispute between the Minister's Department and the Department of Social and Family Affairs in terms of assessing students' families for these grants. When can we have more up to date information on who gets grants from the Minister's Department?

Photo of Mary HanafinMary Hanafin (Dún Laoghaire, Fianna Fail)
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I understand the number of people in receipt of third level grants and benefiting under the schemes is 56,000. The amount of money involved in this has increased substantially. The HEA and my Department are working on a comprehensive computerised student records system that will not only deal with the numbers of people but their social profiles and the educational courses they are following. This will ensure we receive up to date information more quickly. We are still pursuing a number of returns for the period prior to 2002-03 from the various granting authorities. A central system would undoubtedly make it much easier and I accept what the Deputy said in that regard.

In regard to a new system, we all accept there is a need for a one-stop-shop, or at least one body, which would be responsible for distributing grants. Two issues arose in the context of the new legislation. One was a new scheme because there are talks about taking capital into account, and the other was a single body which would be responsible for the administration. The former is the more difficult issue and we discussed that before. I would not like to delay a proper administrative structure by waiting for the outcome of studies on the capital issue. There is no particular disagreement between any bodies; it is just that we do not have agreement yet.

Photo of Jan O'SullivanJan O'Sullivan (Limerick East, Labour)
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That is one definition of no agreement. Does the Minister accept the system is unfair to the PAYE sector?

Photo of Mary HanafinMary Hanafin (Dún Laoghaire, Fianna Fail)
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When one looks at the profile, one finds the rate of participation among people in working class, or even middle class, Dublin in the grant schemes is not as great as that in rural areas. As I said before, the widow in the large house in Dún Laoghaire who has no money——

Photo of Jan O'SullivanJan O'Sullivan (Limerick East, Labour)
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Far be it that the widow from Dún Laoghaire should suffer.

Photo of Mary HanafinMary Hanafin (Dún Laoghaire, Fianna Fail)
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The capital value of her home might be considerable but one cannot expect her to sell her house to send her child to college. These issues must be balanced against the farmer with a lot of land. It is an issue we must examine carefully. I am more anxious to move ahead to find a system which would streamline the administration of the grant system in a fair way because it is being dealt with by four or five different bodies.