Dáil debates
Tuesday, 25 November 2025
Victims of Sexual Violence Civil Protection Orders Bill 2025: Second Stage [Private Members]
10:10 am
Matt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
I thank every TD who has contributed to this debate this evening and the many TDs who contacted me in the course of the day to indicate their support for this Bill.
I also thank the Minister and Government for allowing this Bill to pass on Second Stage. There are issues more important that political games. It would have been possible for Government parties to play political games and table a delaying amendment, and I acknowledge that they did not.
I also acknowledge that the Minister stayed for the entirety of this debate. Most senior Ministers run off as soon as their contribution in a debate such as this is over. I want to ensure, and ask, that that spirit continues. I want us all to make a resolution for 2026 that this Bill will be law by this time next year.
Of course, I accept that the purpose of the next Stages of the Bill is that amendments can be brought forward that would improve the Bill. It is transposing something from the harassment legislation into the sexual violence sphere.
I hope we can explore on Committee Stage whether we can find a mechanism that would ensure that a civil protection order against a perpetrator could be imposed by a judge for a lifetime period, and my appeal to the Minister and to Government is to be constructive as we tease out all of these issues.
Something Ministers have said repeatedly tonight is that there needs to be added value. The added value is that by passing this Bill we can say clearly to victims and survivors, "We hear you, we see you and when you point out failings in the system to us, we will act."
I thank again all of those organisations that have indicated support of this Bill. I thank Sinn Féin for allowing me to utilise our Private Members' time to progress it. I thank Caoilfhionn Ní Dhonnabáin in my own office for working so hard on bringing forward this important proposal. I thank my party colleagues, particularly Deputy Máire Devine, our junior spokesperson on domestic and gender-based violence issues and Senator Maria McCormack, who is a determined and fierce advocate for vulnerable people in her constituency and, indeed, everywhere.
I thank Maria, especially, for introducing me to three of the most powerful people I have ever met. Sonya Stokes, Leona O'Callaghan and Shaneda Daly are forces of nature. They set out to me in stark terms why this legislation is required. By telling their stories, they brought their perpetrators to justice. In doing that, they did the State - all of us - a great service.
That should be all we have to ask of them but I was struck by the words of Leona O'Callaghan. I ask the Cathaoirleach Gníomhach to indulge me while I recite those words verbatim:
You know, we've done enough when we’ve done that. But what I've also done ... is ... put myself in the firing line when he gets out, because he's going to want revenge on the very people that took his freedom for so long. And I worry that he spends most days thinking about what he will do to the people who put him where he is. And I would love the protection of a protection order. If I was protected against him as a child, I'd have had a very different life. Everything would have been so different. And society couldn't protect me from that because these monsters exist and they're clever and we don't see them for what they are before they do it.
But now we know who he is and we know what he does. We know how violent he is. And what I'm asking is not for me, because it's too late for me. It can't be retrospective, but for the little Leonas that come after me, that are brave enough to look these people in the eye, relive what they went through, and put them behind jail, and, you know, at that stage, they should have the protection of knowing this man is not allowed to come anywhere near me. He's not allowed to talk to me, he's not allowed to try and communicate with me, ideally, he's not allowed in the very same building as me.
That is added value that this Oireachtas can bring to all of these women.
My final appeal, in thanking Government for allowing this to move to the next Stage, is let us listen to Leona, Sonya and Shaneda and to all those countless victims and survivors who have told their stories. Let us pass this Bill.
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