John McGuinness (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fianna Fail)

For the information of Members, the Deputy should not make reference to the President or draw that office into any controversy in this House. That is a ruling. The Deputy also cannot and should not make reference to people outside the House. They are not here to defend themselves or to support what the Deputy might be claiming. The Deputy did mention that the Minister had lied, and that too is something that should not be said. I need to say that as the Leas-Cheann Comhairle to remind all Deputies of the rules and that we want to conduct this debate properly, giving everybody the opportunity to speak but while observing the rules of the House.

I call Deputy Ivana Bacik.

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