David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)

I do not believe that is the biggest challenge at all. It is a challenge, of course, to get projects ready and obviously they have to go through planning processes and there are other processes as well. I met with senior officials in the Department before the last general election. What they set out to us was an ask of about €13.5 billion up to 2030. What was achieved was €9.5 billion. Even looking at some of the costs, we know there is at least €1 billion, at a minimum, needed for digital transformation. We have to finish out the children's hospital which, it is estimated, will require about €300 million in addition to the current €9.5 billion allocated. The surgical hubs have to be paid for. Primary and community care facilities were estimated to be €270 million. On the 3,000 hospital beds, they average out at about €1 million each. That is €3 billion alone for those beds. Half of those beds, in my mind, will not be delivered and we will see who is right and who is wrong as all of this plays out. The new National Maternity Hospital is at a minimum of €900 million, at best, and then we are into the elective hospitals. We know from the preliminary business cases they are about €1 billion at a minimum for those four. When you add all of that up, it is well over €13 billion. It does not add up. Then the question is: what projects are not going to be delivered?

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