Leo Varadkar (Dublin West, Fine Gael) | Oireachtas source

-----so they do have different terms and conditions, even when they are doing the same job. As we know from the hospices, we have successfully brought a number of hospices from section 39 to section 38 status. When you do that, it turns out to be much more complicated than people think. While some people may have lesser terms and conditions, others will have better terms and conditions. There are also different pension arrangements. It is never quite as straightforward as it may seem. Removing the autonomy from those bodies and requiring them to apply public service pay scales and pension rules means that there are winners and losers. That is one of the complications of moving the section 39 bodies into the section 38 space.

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