Dáil debates

Thursday, 19 October 2023

Saincheisteanna Tráthúla - Topical Issue Debate

Probation and Welfare Service

6:20 pm

Photo of Paul McAuliffePaul McAuliffe (Dublin North West, Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

I acknowledge that the Minister, Deputy McEntee, is unable to take this issue but I thank the Minister of State for being here to facilitate the matter being raised. Over several months I have raised, by way of parliamentary question, the issue of historical sexual abuse in the Probation Service. In May, in a written reply from the Minister, she confirmed that two allegations of child sexual abuse had been made in regard to the Probation Service. In the Minister's words, they related to a deceased member of the Probation Service. This matter has also been the topic of media coverage. "RTÉ Investigates" carried out the programme "Scouting Dishonour", in which it referred to the then chief scout Joe Lawlor, and allegations in regard to him and his service in the Probation Service. I know Joe Duffy on RTÉ Radio has also discussed this case.

I appreciate it is an incredibly sensitive issue, but, unfortunately, a victim who has come forward to me has said that he feels there is a cul-de-sac now in terms of justice. He feels that, like many other institutions where sexual abuse took place, there is always a stigma in victims coming forward and articulating the allegation. In this case, however, there is almost a double stigma because many of these people were the subject of the Probation Service, and in order to reveal that they had been the subject of sexual abuse, they also had to reveal that they were the subject of the Probation Service.

I have asked the Minister on several occasions if she will consider carrying out a review of the file within the Department of Justice or an investigation or some form of inquiry which would relieve these victims. I believe there are others out there who have not yet come forward because of the nature of the circumstances I have outlined. We should actively facilitate them. It is accepted now that abuse took place at the hands of this gentleman in other organisations. We want to find out what the Department of Justice and the Probation Service know about that activity over that time.

There has been a lot of discussion in regard to Scouting Ireland and changes within that organisation. Ian Elliott's report refers to particular individuals. If, however, there are cases of sexual abuse in the Probation Service, in my view, the Minister should take those allegations incredibly seriously and we as a State should relieve the victims of the burden of having to go to the media and having to go out there and raise these issues. We should carry out an inquiry based on the allegations we have received and review the documentation to see what was known. My understanding - again, these matters have been reported in the media - is that complaints were made to the Probation Service as far back as 2000, and other reports have said that they were made as far back as the 1970s.

As I said, and within the limits of what I can say in this House, I ask that the Minister carry out an inquiry and review whatever documentation is on file to see if victims can be brought together and, instead of forcing people down the process of legal action, which delivers justice for very few, put in place a process whereby people who are impacted in this way can receive justice and can be dealt with sensitively.

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