Catherine Murphy (Kildare North, Social Democrats) | Oireachtas source

On the same subject, some of these services will collapse. There is no obvious mechanism to resolve this because the State is the funder. As the Taoiseach said, if the section 39 bodies did not exist the State would have to provide the services directly. The problem is that if the State does not come back to the table, there is nothing to negotiate. We cannot talk about the industrial relations mechanisms being available. We urgently need to have a discussion about this. It is fanciful to think that Tusla and the HSE can in some way magic up a contingency. What is going to happen is we will shut down absolutely vital services. We cannot allow the vital 20 days between now and 17 October to go without discussing how to get a resolution to this and it needs to happen urgently.

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