Leo Varadkar (Dublin West, Fine Gael) | Oireachtas source

-----but if she has not, I will make sure they know.

On section 39 and section 38 facilities, we are moving some section 39 facilities into section 38 status. These are hospices. However, it is not straightforward. Section 39 organisations tend to own their own property, have their own pension funds and often have salaries that are out of kilter with public sector salaries. They are sometimes more and sometimes lower. Some staff have opposed transfer when we get into the detail of it. Section 39 organisations are very diverse. Some receive almost all their funding from the State and are effectively public providers of public services. Others do not; they have a mix of public, private and charitable revenue. It is never straightforward. However, I understand the points the Deputy is making.

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