John Paul Phelan (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fine Gael) | Oireachtas source

I do not say that the current system is perfect. I listened to examples given by Deputies from around the country. Deputy Mattie McGrath spoke comically, as usual, about chains of office in Clonmel and council offices in Cashel. What offices are open and not open are matters for Tipperary County Council. The idea is that because the British could not rule Tipperary - I do not know if they could rule Deputy Mattie McGrath - the county was divided in two and should be kept frozen in aspic in perpetuity. Deputy Penrose made the best contribution when he spoke about people not denigrating each other. I do not dismiss any of the arguments made by others but I cannot understand how people who are supposed to be democrats in this House think that some people should have two votes in a local election and others should have one. Nobody referred to it.

Can we integrate our towns properly-----

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