Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)

The Ministers can spin it whatever way they wish but they were initiated. They can ask his colleague, Eamon Ryan. Mr. Gormley has retired from politics and is not here to defend himself.

Big Phil arrived in and told the lads in Carlow-Kilkenny: "Don't worry. We will put the foot down on them and make sure there will be no more about that. That is okay in other counties but it cannot happen in Carlow-Kilkenny." The same happened with the recommendations about the constituency boundaries. Carlow-Kilkenny is untouched. He spent €1 million to save money-----

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