John Paul Phelan (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fine Gael)

I believe I heard the previous contribution referred to as the Scartaglen filibuster. I never thought I would state in the Chamber that I commend Deputy Mattie McGrath on his legislation but I and my colleague, Deputy Deasy, over a year ago, produced a similar Bill which we submitted to the then Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform and, if I recall correctly, we got a similar response.

It is good to have a discussion on this issue because in rural as well as urban areas there is much evidence, anecdotal or otherwise, to suggest that there are activities going on that should not be occurring not only in regard to precious metals, but also scrap metal in general. I would be anxious about it. I would ask the Minister, in his response, to outline when the forum report might be presented because action needs to be taken in this area.

Deputy Maureen O'Sullivan mentioned copper wire being taken from telephone lines. In Kilkenny, I am familiar with one particular location in Clara where twice in the past 12 months that has happened. There have been many thefts of trailers from farms. Deputy Wall mentioned the theft of fuel and other belongings.

Certain action has been proposed. Deputy Maloney mentioned registration in the UK and Deputy Donohoe referred to the use of ID, a paper trail and evidence of ownership.

There are many legitimate businesses operating in scrap metal and in precious metals.

The Minister is correct in stating his approach must be targeted, proportionate and balanced and allow those who are operating legitimately to continue to do so. We must ensure there is firm regulation because there has been a great increase in the number of cash for gold dealers. I refer not only to shops, but also to facilities in the mezzanine areas of shopping centres and online facilities, as mentioned by Deputy Donohue.

I support the thrust of the Bill. The Minister might consider introducing ministerial regulations.

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