James Reilly (Dublin North, Fine Gael)

As regards Deputy Ó Caoláin's question about the three other service plans, there is not a need for the same number of exits. The lowest number of exits is from Dublin north-east. The contention that this is a recipe for disaster is utterly untrue - in fact, it is a formula to prevent any such disaster and ensure a seamless transition. We have put in place several different contingencies to allow for any problem areas that might arise unexpectedly. A comprehensive study has been undertaken of all people leaving the health service, including their grades and posts, so that replacement staff can be put in place where they are needed. In some places, one may find that where 16 people leave, they will all be replaced. In other places, however, where 35 leave only six have been replaced which is due to the nature of the service and the areas of expertise involved.

We are not lifting the moratorium but I have greater flexibility around it, by agreement at Cabinet, so we can examine specific areas where there is a risk and replace people accordingly. That is exactly what we are doing in this contingency plan.

Deputy Kelleher quoted Professor Michael Turner, but he will note that the word "could" is in there. If the Deputy was prepared to read the remainder of Professor Turner's statement he would find there is a big "if" there also. The statement said it could be a serious problem if proper measures are not put in place. However, the plans are in place and the measures will be in place also. Maternity is an area we were particularly concerned with, but the Deputy will find that many of the midwives leaving our service will be replaced.

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