Seán Fleming (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)

Members today have heard a speech from the Minister, Deputy Howlin. Perhaps the Minister for Finance might tell Members what he has against the third and fourth child tomorrow. He referred to this last week and the point was understood. However, someone has won out in respect of that debate.

This budget delivery process is a triumph of spin over substance. I have given repeated examples in each of the Ministers' personal offices.

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