Luke Flanagan (Roscommon-South Leitrim, Independent)

I am sure the Minister will agree that there are many ways of dealing with different issues, and one does not always have to go down the same road. If a person does not agree with one on a certain course of action, it does not mean he or she is wrong or trying to be bad. There are many different ways of dealing with fraud; I cannot see how the Minister would disagree with that. On that basis, can the Minister make it clear to the House that she does not actually think any of us up here are in favour of fraud? She is giving the impression that we are in favour of fraud, which is wrong and unfair. Clearly there are certain things in this Bill that we could vote for, but we cannot because of the other things we disagree with.

If the Minister was running a restaurant, how would she serve up the food to people? Would she present them with the menu and tell them they had to eat everything on it or they would not get fed? It would not be a good way of running a business, would it?

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