Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)

If Deputy Martin had kept scorecards in his time, the scores would not be great. It is important that we get things right. The Government created entirely new Departments of Public Expenditure and Reform and Children and Youth Affairs. That was done deliberately so there would be a real change from the carry on of the past. The Deputy indicated he is not interested in Punch and Judy. The Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform will require clarity from Ministers regarding expenditure in their Departments, their value and effectiveness and whether programmes should be continued, abandoned or expanded. They have to get the true scale of this matter before they can plot their way ahead.

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