Tony Killeen (Clare, Fianna Fail)

Historically, new recruits to the navy in particular have tended to come from the reserve. It is how many recruits enter the PDF. It is hardly surprising and will be likely to feature. I have not examined the recruitment numbers over the years. I understand there is a trend for younger members of the reserve to apply to be permanent members when the opportunity arises. That is to be welcomed.

I think it is dangerous to engage in a debate on whether the figure of 10,000 is a ceiling or a floor, as this Department has a mission to fulfil. I would be far more comfortable presenting the numbers and the capabilities, which include equipment and other considerations. We have to face the fact that this must be done within financial parameters that are very difficult at the moment. We are on far stronger ground when we say that this is what the State expects of its armed forces and this is what we need in order to do it. We are on weak ground when we cling to a magical and somewhat artificial number. Contrary to what Deputy Deenihan may be thinking, it may well transpire that the number might not be a magical 10,000, but it could well be higher rather than lower.

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