Arthur Morgan (Louth, Sinn Fein)

We have heard it all now. The Government has admitted this legislation has a grey fringe. To tell the truth, I have a grey fringe myself. When I first came in here seven years ago, I was six foot six with a head of jet black hair down to my shoulders. I might as well say that because that is as good a bull as the Minister of State is giving us.

First, he tells us about the various criteria and how, if one determines one's pay rates, one can avoid paying this levy. One is not exempt if one has access to a public service pension scheme or a potential public service pension scheme, as Deputy Rabbitte pointed out. Then we discover the National Treasury Management Agency does have access to a public service pension scheme but it will still be exempt from the reductions. What will the Minister do now?

This is make-it-up-as-we-go-along, back-of-the-envelope stuff. Will some Members here a bit longer than me tell me has it always been this bit of a joke in here with not defining legislation and explaining it as a grey fringe? How does the Minister believe he will get away with that?

Will those Members longer in this House explain - later on over a cup of tea will do - was it for this that I advocated changing Sinn Féin policy to recognise the Dáil? I am actually quite concerned about this. In 1986, I was involved in a major debate within our organisation to recognise this institution on the basis that the people recognise it and here is where we need to be to do politics. Here I am now and I cannot believe a word the Minister says. He cannot give us an accurate answer to any of the questions asked.

For the last time, will the Minister clarify who will be exempt from these pay cuts and who will be liable for them? Can we have some clarity please and never mind the grey fringes?

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