Tommy Broughan (Dublin North East, Labour)

Yes, because we have the same people ranting in newspaper columns about competition in bus markets, despite not knowing how bus markets operate. They do not know, for example, that the subsidies provided to private sector companies in the United Kingdom are much higher than those provided to public service companies here. As I noted, without a large population, maintaining a rail service is an expensive business. For this reason, the bulk of the CIE subsidy is provided to Irish Rail.

Several operators tried to establish new services under the current system. For example, Mr. Trevor Patten established a service known as the "Patten Flyer" to link Dún Laoghaire and Dublin Airport. However, under the current chaotic licensing system, this direct service, which was deeply appreciated by commuters, was not given a licence to operate on the route. Instead, the licence was awarded to another operator, Aircoach. My party leader, Deputy Eamon Gilmore, and other Deputies have spoken about this case, which demonstrates the chaotic nature of the current system. The reason we are discussing this legislation is that we need to introduce a proper system to regulate competition in a sustainable manner. Such a system would provide the best possible service to commuters and passengers. I will not vote for Deputy O'Dowd's amendments because they would not achieve this objective.

I also have a problem with one of the other amendments. The legislation will not create a level playing pitch for all companies. I accept, however, that in general terms the sector needs reform, as demonstrated by the case of the Patten Flyer. We need a modern system of licensed competition. I ask the Minister to speak to Mr. Patten and similar operators and consider the type of services he and others could or do offer. I hope the new system will provide for a more level playing pitch.

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