James Reilly (Dublin North, Fine Gael)

I wish to answer the Minister, in fairness. We are spending €16 billion on health through the HSE and the Department of Health and Children, and the Minister has told us that €4 billion is being spent through insurance and private fees. That is €20 billion for 4.2 million people, which is nearly €5,000 per head. In Holland they are paying €60 billion for 16 million people, which is short of €4,000 a head. They have number one for quality and number two for value for money.

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