Bertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)

This matter has been the subject of debate for 77 years. I do not want to put undue emphasis on it. No matter what one says, somebody will pick up on something. I was careful to say we are talking of a handful of people honoured by another jurisdiction, whether in the United States, different parts of Europe, recipients of the Nobel Peace Prize or awards by the British Government. It is similar to the freedom of the city of Dublin, which has been awarded to a handful of people in the past few hundred years. However, many pre-eminent and inspirational people not necessarily with a national standing have made a major contribution to Irish life with particular emphasis on voluntary and community service.

I was only making the point regarding those who have been recognised by other countries. Many people, although not huge numbers, have said to me they were offered recognition but they did not want to accept it and others have said they were offered it and wanted to accept it. They all say they would love if there was an honours system in their own country. That is only a small proportion of people.

I will not try to force Deputy Gilmore or anybody else in terms of what they believe. I always tend to take account of what happens internationally. These schemes operate very well and have been in existence for a long time. I agree there is the difficulty of a backlog at the start, but if it is limited in number, that does not apply.

I agree with Deputy Gilmore regarding the various schemes, including those throughout the country. I have made many of the presentations throughout my life——

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