Bertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)

I have no doubt the Deputy checked this before he came in for questions. He will be totally aware of how closely I am involved in the talks and that I have spent a fair few nights and weekends on them because he was briefed about this.

Deputy Rabbitte's final question, which is the most important, was whether I am putting forth a pessimistic impression of the talks based on my knowledge and experience and the answer is "Yes". I do not see two sides engaged to find a resolution right now. Everyone will be aware that finding a resolution in these negotiations requires people to work hard, which they are, but also to reach the necessary compromises to bring the process to an acceptable solution for all sides and not just one side. That position does not exist today. I hope it will and I hope all sides will try to find a way of dealing with the issues, which I have outlined. The circumstances do not exist right now.

The Deputy also asked how long the talks will take. The sides have exhausted each other, including the Government. However, we cannot force the sides to settle or to agree. There is a basis for settling but both the ICTU and, particularly, the employers — I do not exclude all the other social partners — must make the necessary effort to reach agreement. They have certainly put in the time and the commitment, but I do not see the basis to find agreement at the moment. Perhaps that will change in the days ahead, but I do not see it at the moment. These questions have been on the Order Paper for several weeks and it is only fair that I give my assessment.

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