Mr. Francis Doherty:

Yes. The organisation had a long-standing audit and risk committee. In fact, the former chair of the organisation was a member of the audit and risk committee before she became chair. What was really clear and what I was trying to address when I was recommending an independent people and skills audit of the board of the Peter McVerry Trust when I was CEO was that there were no chartered accountants on these commitments. There were people with business experience and legal experience, but nobody with actually qualified financial experience.