Mark Wall (Kildare South, Labour)

Those involved in caring will tell us that they are saving the State €20 billion each year. The figure the Minister put on is €3 billion maximum to get everybody into that. Has the Department done any engagement? Are there any surveys on those people who are not engaging? I have come across a number of people in the past couple of years who were not aware of the massive increases the Government has put in, although these are still not enough. Has there been engagement by the Department in respect of those people who are not engaging with it? Is the Department depending on carers' associations to give it data in that regard?