Ms Angela Fitzgerald:

I think the terms of reference were appropriate to the context of the review, which was safety. What we were asked to do was provide the expertise that Dr. Ryan's team have in harnessing international evidence and the expertise of Mr. Egan's team in looking at regulation and what the factors are that contribute to safe, effective services. To the extent that there were population projections, it made sense that we used an external party. That is why that term of reference was there. To the extent that we looked at how we found ourselves here, that term of reference is there. Looking at the evidence base, I agree with the Senator, in that most people, and our own reports, were calling out the capacity challenges. However, I think it is very powerful for the Government and for the wider stakeholders to have clear evidence that supports decisions because for every decision, there is a competing decision-----